Hey! Your totals add up to more than 100% - you're wacked!
A couple of folks on Twitter have noticed that the vote totals add up to more than 100%. Here's the explanation.
Each H------ voter identifies their #1, #2, and #3 pick. Top vote gets 3 pts, second place gets 2 pts, third gets 1 point. Therefore, each ballot has a total of six points - but the most any one candidate can get is three points.
A unanimous #1 selection would get three points on every single ballot. To make things as clear as possible - 100% is the maximum possible points each candidate could earn.
While each candidate can only get three points, there are six points per ballot. As a result, the total projection values will add up to 200%, not 100%.
Kari Chisholm | December 7, 2009 | Comment on This Post (42 so far)
Espn's Mark Schlereth said on the Jim Rome show that he was voting for Suh in the top spot.
Why do you post updates on the voting so infrequently? There have been a lot of votes since your last update this morning.
WHERES SOME UPDATES????
Why do you only update it 2 times a day????
This is the true order of the best 3 players in college football without bias to offense or defense.
3.Gerhart!!!! Toby Gerhart is the most consistent player over this season and leads the nation in rushing yards and rushing TD's!!!
Suh > Colt.
Ingram > Tebow.
Toby = Ingram
Suh > Ingram
I think if this has any meaning that the trophy should go to the BEST player, not just one that gets all the media attention, ie Tebow. Not that it really matters for him after poor showing during the game against Bama, and then letting the tears come out after. LOL. I also think that Colt had a bad game against Nebraska. Main reason SUH. Suh is such a dominant force in there that he is a game changer. Just think about, Texas held to 13 points. Suh threw Colt in the air for a sack. That was awesome. As for the Huskers if they had any kind of an offense they would be going to the Fiesta Bowl. Heartbreaker. Ingram also looked good, but come on Suh just single handedly kept Nebraska in the game. Lets give it to a player that deserves in than someone that get brought up by the media and that's all we hear about. Check out Suh's stats and decided for yourself. The nation voted for Suh on the Heisman Vote presented by Nissan. Let's give it to man that deserves it the most especially since he's on defense and let's face it, they just don't get much love.
As a long time OU fan and alumn I have to say SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. This guy deserves every piece of hardware. A documentary of his work this season would win an Oscar! Gotta love this guy. Go get your stiff arm big fella.
Im saying this not just as a Husker fan but as a life long football fan. The Heisman is supposed to be given to the best player for that year. Toby Gerhart has had an amazing year against some good competition. But in all honesty the Pac-10 being so up and down is not as good of competition as Suh faced in the Big 12. The Huskers played multiple great offenses all of which were shut down by Suh. Look at supposed Heisman contender Colt McCoy. 180 yds passing and 3 int with a 1 yrd rushing TD? Doesnt look like Heisman quality stats to me. This happened because of Suh and Crick in the middle, with Suh dominating the whole game. So in all honesty I think Suh should win Heisman because he was the best at his position he was dominant in every game this year. The top 3 should be Suh, Gerhart, and Ingram with Suh winning.
Why do some of te voters have all 3's for their picks?
I'm a big fan of your work. Mereological essentialism is the only logically consistent way to evaluate problems like the Ship of Theseus.
Rock on, philosopher man.
The numbers only add up to 174.5% I'm guessing this is because of the incompleteness of some revealed ballots, but you should probably clarify. The numbers don't add to 200%
ok i agree that gerhart is a really good player and has the most yards and touchdowns in the nation, but he also has 62 more carries than ingram, and ingram played one more game. ingram has more yards after contact and yards per carry. and as i agree that suh is possibly the best defensive player to play college football, he wont win BECAUSE he is on defense. its bias i know but thats just how the voters typically vote
I know all of you westcoast and midwest dont watch too many SEC games or much keep track of the SEC games played. So lets take a look back in recent history, just for a sec. For one thing, you should keep track of a few SEC games, atleast the ones where the SEC kicked your teams butt and the teams in your conference. Last year and this year. The SEC has murdered non-conference teams.
Go back for the last 3 or 4 years in the national championships. Same deal...
Last year, Tim Elbow and company murdered your Big 12 champ Oklahoma. Until last Saturday, nobody has touched Florida. Ingram took it to the #1 defense and the #1 team in the country. And Ingram has been doing it all year long. (except only 1 game). He has been doing it on SEC defense after SEC defense ALL year.
These other players you speak of, Nuh and Gehart. Yes, they are magnificant players. But, they have not faced anyone to actually test there skill all year long. Toby has a crap load of yards. ok, maybe so... but who has stanford actually played ? A crappy USC team? gimme a break...
And Nuh, yea he shut down Colt McCoy. But, the toughest defense besides Nebraska was Oklahoma that he faced earlier in the year and they barely beat them... My point is that your guys havent played anyone for real....
Toby is the only offensive player who has been solid from start to finish... I think he should be a lock.. the only player who should win it if he doesn't is Suh.. him and Toby have been the best football players for the offense and defense.. I think Toby should get it because he will get looked past in some other categories when Suh is going to win just about everything he is eligible for.
oh and to Lcee1.. toby plays in the PAC 10.. a pretty good conference.. SEC is by far better but still.. big 12 was awful this year.. and Tebows numbers arent even as good as Jimmy Clausens if you take out the run game
Lets all face facts. Big Suh is the best player college football has seen in years. To make things fair, just let 3 of the other players line up and try to block Suh, while either of the running backs try to gain 3 yards. If all 4 of them together can acomplish that, I would be shocked. If not, then just give him the trophy the he has earned and deserves.
Zac Lee for Heisman?... Anybody?... No? Hahahaha. Man, as a Husker fan (and student), I can't believe how much our offense has declined over one year. I would show a little more respect to Zac Lee if he wasn't the cockiest player on the team (oh, the stories I could tell). He thinks he's hot stuff, but has nothing to show for it. Point is... this is an amazing Heisman race with great competition. Keep in mind, Suh & company has been playing extremely tough throughout the entire season and have won 9 games without an offense. Without Suh & company, we would have a 3-9 season. Three of our loses were within 2 points. After one of our press conferences (after a loss), Suh was asked about the offense. He mentioned that, we gave up 1 touchdown, as far as I'm concerned, I let down my team, we didn't do our job. He expects to do his best, even if that means not even settling for a touchdown. We lost that game 9-7 (missed extra point), sadly.
As stated by the Heisman Memorial Trust Mission Statement, "The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work." Ndamukong Suh, period. Lead the defense to 9 wins this season.
Nuh? At least get the names correct!
I have looked and read the post for the Heisman, and have seen many good points. But the one thing that I have noticed is that although Mark Ingram is projected the winner at this time, he doesn't get much air time. Somehow the general public hasn't seen his work and don't realize that the SEC is basically a conference of running teams, not the pretty boy air games that most other conferences have as offensive plans. Look at what he has done, my lord he should be up for a TIMEX award because he has taken a beating and still keeps running it up the middle and not just for 2 yards.
And hey all you SUH fans, I agree that he is an exceptional player, but God look at McClain.
Yes I am a lifelong Alabama fan and proud of it, but I also recognize exceptional play.
The Heisman is supposed to go to the best player in college football, not the best QB/RB on the best team. While they are all great players, most of these other guys are cogs in the wheel. Statistically Alabama, Florida, and Texas had the best defenses in football this year. These guys all also had great offensive lines and other great skill people on their offenses. Suh plays on a team with the 102nd ranked offense in college football and plays in the Big 12. Yet, because of Suh and the rest of the defense... Nebraska was litterally 3 plays away from going 12-1 and 1 play from winning the Big 12. Suh might be the most dominant college football player in decades, but will lose the Heisman to a COG in a Wheel.
Suh is good, but has anyone considered that he has so many tackles because the rest of his team is worthless. Someone has to make the tackles. I think 'nuf said, we''ll see tomorrow.
Suh had his best game against Texas on national TV at the end of the season. Ingram played well most of the year, but he really isn't even the best player on his team. Alabama is a defensive team. Tebow had a much less productive year than the year before and they lost to Alabama. McCoy had his worst game all year in the last game against Nebraska and Suh, but he still found a way to win. Does the last game of the year really count so much more than all the other games. It must because no one was even talking about Suh until after that game. McCoy found a way to win and didn't have a great statisitcal game against Nebraska because his receivers were covered all night long. Not his fault. McCoy should win, but the voters are all too superficial to look at the whole season.
yes the sec is good or at least florida, bama, and lsu are, are they not the only teams in sec that are ranked, yup, big 12 has that too texas, nebraska and oklahoma st., heck the big east has cinci, west virginia and the fightin irish, point, sec is good but not the 12 best defenses or offenses in the country, defense is synonomous to nebraska and for this year, big 12, Ndamukong suh is easily 1, most uneducated fools like yourself do not realize, though he may not have the exact same stats suh is just as much of an impact on the game in every game he has played not just texas which many of you seem to think, and the big 12 is not weak, su has been tested with Virginia tech, holding them to 10 pts until ohanlon blew his coverage, Texas tech, at the time they played had one of the best offenses averaging over 500 yds per game was held to 250 yds in which suh had 6 qb hits and 2 sacks, Oklahoma, averaging over 500 yds was held to 200 yds, texas the best offense in the country, only gets 200 yds of offense against suh and the blackshirts, no suh HAS been tested this year , and so has Gerheart, you are so stupid, ignorant, and stuborn to believe this schedule is easy:
at 13 Oregon St
at 20 Arizona
at 18 USC
that was this year
heres the only ranked teams ingram has played
so hows your "oh nobody but ingram has been tested this year" looking now, bud, my guess is that you do not pay good atention to the game of collece football but just have it embroidered in your mind that sec = good and
everybody else = bad
you are know nothing of football and have not earned the right to make such comments towards other candidates, and also for the first 3/4 of the season bamas offense sucked, you cant play on a bad offense and expect to win the heisman
heres the way the vote SHOULD go based on who tried hardest, made the most impact on their teams, and who rightfully has earned the heisman:
1. Ndamukong Suh DT, Nebraska
2. Toby Gerheart RB, Stanford
3. Mark Ingram RB, Alabama
4. Colt McCoy QB, Texas
5. Tim Tebow QB, Florida
Bill...If you want to rant and rave about a previous post, it is typically best to edit your own post before you do.
Quick Spelling Lesson:
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The "stupid, ignorant, and stuborn" collece football fans
Ranked teams Alabama has played this year:
Sat, Sep 5 at (7) Virginia Tech W 34-24
Sat, Oct 10 at (20) Mississippi W 22-3
Sat, Oct 17 (22) South Carolina W 20-6
Sat, Nov 7 (9) LSU W 24-15
Sat, Dec 5 (1) Florida W 32-13
As far as the offense "sucking", there were 5 games where Alabama scored fewer than 28 points ( and what Ingram did in those games ):
Sat, Oct 10 at (20) Mississippi W 22-3 172 rushing yds.
Sat, Oct 17 (22) South Carolina W 20-6 246 rushing yds.
Sat, Oct 24 Tennessee W 12-10 99 rushing yds.
Sat, Nov 7 (9) LSU W 24-15 144 rushing yds.
Fri, Nov 27 at Auburn W 26-21 30 rushing yds. (hip pointer)
So to you I say when you play on a bad offense and the other team still can't stop you, there must be something to be said for that!
I won't insult you like you did to lceey1; I'll just let the stats speak for themselves !!!
You have to give it to Suh... NO OFFENSE ALL YEAR, whatsoever... Helu had over 1000 yards, yeah, but if you watched any Husker games, they struggled to make first downs all year. Henery had 73 punts this year, 5th most in the nation.
And yes there are 10 more players on the field.. and they dont all suck lol Hanlon(ballhawk), Gomes(blankets receivers/dare you to run a slant on him, Crick(dominated next to Big Suh) Asante is a stud and second on the team in tackles and routinely laid wr's out. We didnt have much for linebackers..Dillard had a good senior year, and the others are young, But they all looked really good with Suh in front of them. He made his whole Defense look better and made it easy for the LB's and the Backs. He singlehandely turned the tide of games with his threat of picking off the balls, let alone his insane push to the QB even WITH double teams... Nebraska finished second in points allowed with 11.2 ppg, that was against Missouri, Texas Tech, Kansas AND Texas... 2 of those teams finished in the top 10 in total offense, and Alexander and Briscoe for MZ and KU are 2 of the top recievers in the nation. Texas? Texas?? and their explosive offense? ground to a halt!!! NO QUESTION who deserves the Heisman, the best player in all of college football this year, the biggest game changer, and can take points away from you in an instance, Ndamukong Suh.
Talking about strength of schedule? Suh and Gerhart played weaker conferences then the SEC? Maybe, but the Heisman has never been know for a strength of schedule award, never has, never will. For all you youngsters, guy from BYU, Houston, Army, Navy, and even Pittsburgh and Wisconsin has won this award over the years. Yes this award doesnt figure in strength of schedule. Or else you could take away all of USC's Heismans, sorry PAC10 fans... its true... Besides USC themselves, i can't remember the last time the Pac10 had a good Defense.. Having said that...Still
A close second goes to Toby Gerhart for his amazing speed and power, boy did he pour it on this year. Check out fantasy stats this year, he creamed Ingram... Ryan Williams(Fr, VTech) had almost identical stats as Ingram and 4 more TD's. Ingram faced much tougher D's then Gerhart could ever hope for, but this is a stat award. All Ingram has going for him is an undefeated year, a balanced offense, and probably the National Championship, but thats not even enough for the Heisman... You have to be the best player in the nation, and i think you have to be the best player on your own team as well, which i dont think Ingram is cough cough Cody/McClain/Arenas
nobody cares if someone makes a few mistakes. jesus chill out. your just upset that he knows way more about college football than you.
Are you seriously saying the big 12 is a joke. oh my god. do you not watch anygames besides the SEC? I watched everyone of alabama's games. And i watched 7 of Nebraska's games. I even watched the so called "worst" games for suh all year. He was still throwing people around!! Ingram is my favorite player in all of college football. And frankly, I'm not too fond of Nebraska. I just watched them cause i heard about a boy named SUH. ROLL TIDE? give me a break. Suh should win this award easily. But he wont. You no why? cause too many ignorant and stupid people like you are so stuck up on your skill players. Give the guys in the trenches a break for once in a while.
To everyone else:
I'm a die-hard Alabama fan. It would be great if Imgram won it, but all I got to say is. We gonna play for the National Championship. Nobody in the race can say that except for McCoy and he isn't gonna win it. I would gladly trade it for a National Title. Suh or Gerhart can win it and then sit at home with it as they are watching Alabama and Texas play.
Didn't Greg McElroy say that the best player on his team was #25 McClain
Ingram's teammates don't even think he's the best player on HIS team.
Suh and Gerhart deserve it far more.
Lowest rushing yard total in a game this year for Gerhart 82.
Lowest for Ingram 30 followed by 50
Not even close.
Ingram is an outstanding player, but we won't know how exceptional he is until his line faces adversity and isn't pushing D-lines three yards off the line of scrimmage. I didn't see a lot of runs where he had to make anyone miss in the backfield before making an exceptional run. I did see Gerhart make runs of that nature and he seemed to gain a lot of yards after first contact that was made at or behind the line of scrimmage. As far as how good Mclain is for Alabama, I would compare him to Katzenmoyer of OSU about a decade ago. Great numbers, huge impact, but if he didn't have D-lineman up front occupying offensive linemen, he wouldn't get the opportunity to make these plays. Suh rarely faces one-on-ones and mostly is double-teamed and chipped by runningbacks. He does his work while being the focus of the opposition's game plan. I still am in awe of the stats he has posted in comparison to the entire D-lines of the best defenses in the country. If more Heisman voters knew of Suh in October, and didn't have an offensive bias on the award, it wouldn't be close. Just pay attention to how he will receive the most first place votes. He's either first, or not on the ballot. He'll get rewarded greatly by the NFL because they realize he's the best player in the country.
Suh - 23 tackles and 12 sacks on the whole year (4 against Texas). That's marginal for a season, at best. Sure he's a playmaker, but it looks like he just had one hell of a game against Texas.
Mark Ingram ran over 100 yards against the best defense in the nation. And had 78 yards for reception. And scored three touchdowns. That speaks volumes in and of itself.
It'll be Gerhart or Ingram, I doubt they'll give it to a quarterback this year and Suh has only had media attention for one game.
SUUUUUUUH is clearly the best player in NCAAF. Suh doesn't have the luxury of having a good offense that consistently scores, like the other candidates have phenomenal defenses (with the exception of Gerhart). If Ingram, McCoy, or Tebow don't play well, it doesn't matter. If they just give their defense 10-17 points, they will win, because their defenses don't let you score. Nebraska's defense has been the no. 3 scoring defense all year, behind Bama and Florida. As great the defense has been is just as bad the offense has been. Had the offense given the blackshirts 17 points in losses to VT, UT, and Iowa State, the huskers would be sitting at 12-1 and in a BCS bowl, most likely playing Florida in the Sugar Bowl, with Cincy in the NC game and Brian Kelly still the bearcats HC.
After all of that, it becomes more apparent than ever how much this team relied on it's defense all year. Suh led the defense throughout the season, as well as the team as a whole. He doesn't have more tackles than anyone else on the team, because they suck; it's because he gets good penetration, and he's fast. He can run across the field to make a tackle with the ball carrier not knowing what hit him. Besides, if you say the other players on defense are so bad, why didn't Nebraska just get smoked through the air every week? If Suh was the only good player, it is ridiculous to beleive Nebraska is in the top 50 of any defensive category, let alone top 5.
One more thing to think about: The big 12 may not have been very good this season, but it is still known for it's offenses, and Nebraska has been consistently stopping them. The one exception of course being TTech, but hey, even Florida's defense gave up 30+ last week.
I left this off by accident (typing on an iPod is annoying):
My Heisman Ballot
Ingram would be higher, but I personally think there are players on that team that are better than him, so by default he can't be the best in the country. McClain and Cody were better than him, I think. He's only a sophomore, though, so I wouldn't doubt it if he returned next year. I also look for Julio Jones to have a breakout year in 2010, since McElroy will have a full year under his belt.
I think you mean 83*.
That's not marginal, that's unbelievable for a DT. They don't put numbers like that up, LBs do. Suh is a once in a generation type player (Reggie White, anyone?) There's at least 3 RBs with Ingram's stats every year.
CBSSports.com had an article about Suh being the best defensive player in the country..in October. CBS, by virtue, is very SEC biased. He's been atop draft boards all season since Bradford went down. He's been getting press for much longer than one week. You should try breaking out of your SEC bubble once in a while.
After further thought, I realize I made an error. I forgot about the ties the big 12 has to the fiesta bowl. We'd be playing Boise or TCU there.
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