252 Ballots: Ingram leads with 44.5%, Gerhart 40.7%, Suh 39.7%
With 252 ballots, 27% of the total, Mark Ingram continues to extend his lead - now up to 3.8%. That's more ballots than we've ever had, though still one of the most narrow margins we've sent yet between the top three candidates.
We'll have another update tonight, based on some email correspondence we've had today. At some point tomorrow, we'll make our final projection.
If you're interested in helping us track down votes, check out the Big List of 600+ Voters. In an attempt to make this easier for you - and avoid the repeated (over and over and over) postings of ballots we already know about, we've bolded the voters we don't know yet. If it's not bolded, we got it.
Some tips:
- Post every vote you find. If you only post the ones you agree with, the projection will be wrong.
- Whenever voters identify their vote 1-2-3, post all three. If you only share the #1, the projection will be wrong.
- Be as specific as you can about the source. If there's a link, post it. If it was on-air, provide the station, the date, and the time. We need to be able to verify what they said (that it was a vote, not a prediction, or a hope), and that they claimed to be a voter. (There are bloggers and others out there who don't have votes, but are happy to confuse you.)
Thanks for all the help. We couldn't do this without you! But please, don't post votes we've already got. That just makes the updates slower. (No, seriously, stop posting about Monte Poole, Spencer Tillman, and Eddie George. We got 'em.)
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Great work! Looks like clock is wrong on your computer (or in your head) though; I think your latest post was at 3:53 *p.m.* on 12/*10*/09. Gotta get it right for the archives...
Posted by: JW | Dec 10, 2009 4:16:34 PM
Hey,
At what point do the new votes stop having an impact on your projection percentage? It would seem that at a certain point the new votes being added would fall in line with your projections. In the last 24 hours Ingram has increased more than 2% with only 40 or so ballots being added to the total. This seems to dispell the 1.8% accuracy claim.
I have read your site and all the data, can you help me understand how just a few ballots are having such a large impact?
Thanks,
Dave
Posted by: Drwood35 | Dec 10, 2009 4:18:41 PM
Kirk Bohls Heisman Ballot
1st -- Suh
2nd -- Ingram
3rd -- McCoy
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/2009/12/09/1209bohls.html
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 10, 2009 4:19:10 PM
Toby Gerhart just won the Doak Walker...Best Running Back Award...Congratulations Toby.
Posted by: Drwood35 | Dec 10, 2009 4:19:51 PM
Oh sorry, saw that you have Bohls. Bolding the unknown names was counter intuitive to me, and I clearly didn't read the instructions.
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 10, 2009 4:21:23 PM
Thanks, JW. The time is right now 12/10 at 3:53 p.m.
Dear Anonymous 4:19 p.m. What part of "IF IT'S NOT BOLDED, WE GOT IT" do you not understand? We've had the vote from Kirk Bohls for days.
Posted by: Kari Chisholm | Dec 10, 2009 4:22:14 PM
"I have read your site and all the data, can you help me understand how just a few ballots are having such a large impact?"
Depends on where they're coming from. New ballots from the Southwest region won't make much of an impact - but new ballots from the Northeast are still a pretty big deal, since we have fewer ballots from up there.
Posted by: Kari Chisholm | Dec 10, 2009 4:23:14 PM
Yeah Ingram cant even win the most outstanding Runningback award....How can he possible win the Heisman? Ingram is the 2nd best runningback in his conference??? How can you win the Heisman that is supposed to go to the most outstanding player when you are not even the best player in your own conference? If Ingram wins this it is a joke!
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 4:23:52 PM
The Doak Walker Award hasn't been awarded yet (6:24 CST) drwood35.
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:25:21 PM
Toby,
Yes it has. Gerhart won it!
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 4:27:13 PM
I stand corrected! Good get drwood!
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:29:23 PM
And Chad!
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:29:46 PM
However Chad it's way unfair to call Ingram the "second best running back in his own conference." He gets a YARD MORE PER CARRY than Dixon.
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:31:46 PM
Chad
Don't be a douche. How is Ingram the "2nd" best back in the SEC? Did you ever consider that different people vote for the different awards? I gotta a woo..woo...wooooo.... wooooden spoooon. Derrrrr rrrrrr. Dumb. Ass.
Posted by: Joey | Dec 10, 2009 4:34:13 PM
Here's John Hunt's Heisman ballot -- he's from Oregon, so I thought you'd have it. But he's not bolded: http://bit.ly/4UzKgD
Posted by: Mike | Dec 10, 2009 4:34:18 PM
-Drwood35
"In the last 24 hours Ingram has increased more than 2% with only 40 or so ballots being added to the total. This seems to dispell the 1.8% accuracy claim."
The 1.8% accuracy claim is stated as an average accuracy based on every year since this began.
Posted by: Chaos | Dec 10, 2009 4:34:48 PM
Chad is NOT a douche, dude. He's just going off total rushing yardage. However, Ingram BY FAR has a better per carry (over a YARD PER CARRY)than Anthony Dixon (a great back for sure) who is number 1 in TOTAL yardage in the SEC. However, by any objective measure, Ingram has been way way superior to Dixon this year. So the "second best back in the SEC" statement is invalid on its face.
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:39:15 PM
he is averaging the second most yards per game in the SEC. 2nd best! His own backups put up similar stats. You cant be a Heisman when the next guy right behind you can just pick up where you left off.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 4:39:31 PM
and last time I checked I said he was the second best in his own conference.....ummm pretty sure Gerhart is in the Pac-10
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 4:40:07 PM
For those of you who keep criticizing Mark Ingram because he has fewer total yards in more games than Gerhart, don't forget that he has fewer carries and a higher yards/carry. Ingram carried the best team in the country when it was getting ineffective play from its QB. If you think that Ingram got his yards only because of superior offensive line play, you didn't watch him this season and how many YAC he got. Mark Ingram deserves the Heisman, but he won't complain if someone else gets it. He is more concerned with his team winning the National Championship.
Posted by: 33609Tider | Dec 10, 2009 4:42:49 PM
A little known Suh fact:
In his 12 regular season games Suh averaged .625 sacks per game.
Just the facts, mam.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 4:43:40 PM
I love how Kari and the guys say ' We Got EM ' concerning Tillman and Eddie Georges ballots.... Been telling you for friggin days they were wrong, and provided you their interviews that proved you were wrong, yet you waited two days to change it. Now you're getting a little sore cause people are calling you on it. Hilarious. How about checking your information before you put it out? Is that so much to ask...
You ask people to help you track down votes... well we do. Stop bitching cause you have been bombarded about the same subject. Make the change when people send you the correction!
Posted by: YoMamma | Dec 10, 2009 4:44:49 PM
You'd better put a blurb in the header of the linked page (http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/voterlist.html) about the bolded/non-bolded distinction or else you'll get blitzed with known votes by people who don't link from this page and confuse what the bolding is supposed to mean. It's bad enough that people linking from this page are getting it backwards.
Posted by: Alex Yamauchi | Dec 10, 2009 4:44:57 PM
Chad, I disagree. I just showed you why it's not correct to call him "second best" in the SEC. If I run 500 times for 500 yards and you run 50 times for 400 yards does that make me better? Of course not. Extreme exanmple but statistically valid. You don't put your numbers in any context, so they have no validity.
Posted by: Toby? | Dec 10, 2009 4:45:31 PM
joefriday,
sack master stat guy...if you know what makes a defensive tackle great you dont count sacks. Defensive tackles are not supposed to get all the sacks that defensive ends and even some linebackers are supposed to get. Suh's stats alone speak for themself. His stats are over double of the next defensive tackle. You need to compare apples to apples here and not oranges to oranges.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 4:47:38 PM
A little known Suh fact.
In games this year against Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, Florida Atlantic and Louisiana Lafayette Suh had zero sacks.
Just the facts, mam.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 4:48:42 PM
-Chad
"His own backups put up similar stats. You cant be a Heisman when the next guy right behind you can just pick up where you left off."
Have you considered that Bama has started to get stacked in that position???
Two back-to-back recruiting national championships later... now playing for the real thing.
Posted by: Chaos | Dec 10, 2009 4:48:48 PM
gerhart won the doak walker cause he padded stats, heisman voters will be smarter and obviously they are so far and chad you're a moron
Posted by: dustin | Dec 10, 2009 4:52:52 PM
Why can't a player's back up be "as or more talented" than he and still win the h-----? Trent Richardson may be more talented than Ingram (Bama's loaded), but he DIDN'T put up the numbers that Ingram did. Therefore, he was more "outstanding" than Richardson. That whole argument is void of any logic, really, b/c with that logic the only way a player can win the h------ is if everyone else on their team sucks.
Fact remains, if Richardson is "more talented" than Mark, it only proves Gerhart would be 3rd string at Bama.
Posted by: roll tide | Dec 10, 2009 4:53:26 PM
You guys can argue about stats all night long.... the simple fact is that the Heisman is a popularity contest, and it always has been. What's more popular? A Bama hopeful on a team that is 13-0 that is playing in the National Championship game against another Heisman hopeful, or one of the two other guys on teams with 9-4 and 8-4 records that couldn't even win their conference?
To say that ANY of these guys are undeserving is unfair. They ALL deserve it! Ingram worked just as hard for this moment as any of the other Heisman hopefuls. Gerhart worked just as hard as Ingram. Suh worked as hard as anyone as well.
Again, it's a popularity contest, but feel free to cite stats untill Saturday. The odds are that the winner will be playing on January 7th, like it or not.
Posted by: CrimsonTyder | Dec 10, 2009 4:56:12 PM
Curious to see what others may think about this: what happens if CJ Spiller overtakes Tebow for #5 in the final vote? It seems very, very likely that the missing NE and Atlantic coast ballots are going to favor CJ Spiller much more heavily than other regions. Can you imagine the backlash if Tebow comes in #6 and Spiller was not even invited to NY for the ceremony?
Posted by: Alex Yamauchi | Dec 10, 2009 4:59:23 PM
@Alex Yamauchi
That won't happen. The Downtown Athletic Club (or at least the company they used to receive and tabulate the ballots) knows who finished in what position. If Tebow wasn't fifth in the final score, he would not have received an invitation to New York.
Posted by: mre | Dec 10, 2009 5:08:47 PM
Invites are sent after vote deadline, votes are electronic. There are people who knew the actual vote count Monday evening. There is no more of this waiting for the Pony Express, US Mail, or FedEx anymore.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 5:09:43 PM
The early voters will likely bring down Ingram's percentage, shouldn't they? These voters voted before the conference championship games. It seems like they would be less likely to disclose their votes. I know that you are assuming that the break-down of the early voters will mirror those of the other voters? Do you think that this is a sound approach?
Posted by: Sammie Walker | Dec 10, 2009 5:11:30 PM
The SEC uses total yards to award the rushing championship. They don't consider ypr or recieving or playing QB etc., although all of those things go into being the best RB. And Ingram leads in all those catagorys except for total yards. Also he trashed Dixon head to head. But whats more, being awarded the defacto rushing title just because of a few more yards doesn't mean shit when Ingram is All SEC 1st string RB and SEC Offensive MVP. There were 6 or 7 RB's around the country who had more yards than Ingram, so what'r the difference if Dixon is one of them? Stupid! RTR!
Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 10, 2009 5:12:08 PM
Suh won the Chuck Bednarik Award and Outland trophy. Big surprise! Now he needs to get 2 more then the Heisman to make his trophy case complete.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 5:12:47 PM
Didn't realize that they did away with the paper ballots entirely this year and the vote was actually known before the invitations were sent. The Tebow invitation is definitely strange, given the projections, here - to some extent, so is the McCoy invitation - given that they knew the full vote. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - they need the teary-eyed "lifetime achievement award" bios with the two pre-season favorites for the ratings, even if this is a three-man race and they don't deserve to be there sucking up air time.
Posted by: Alex Yamauchi | Dec 10, 2009 5:15:22 PM
anybody talkin about suh and whining about his sack per game ratio has officially disclosed that they never saw him play--bummer for them too since he was the most exciting player in college football this year.
hope they enjoyed experiencing college football through box scores. personally, i prefer to watch the games.
Posted by: strong | Dec 10, 2009 5:19:40 PM
A little known Suh fact.
In games against Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and Louisiana Lafayette Suh had the exact same number of solo tackles. One per game.
Just the facts, mam.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 5:19:56 PM
a well-known fact: you don't need to record a sack as a DT to dominate a game.
another well-known fact: boxscorejoefriday judges players based solely on their rushing yards and passing totals. forgive him, he doesn't have a tv and can't watch the games.
Posted by: strong | Dec 10, 2009 5:22:46 PM
Alex,
Regarding the ivites vs. the projection. It's very possible that the projection is incorrect and that is why you are curious as to why McCoy and Tebow were invited given their less than likely chances to win according to the projection.
Posted by: T | Dec 10, 2009 5:24:03 PM
You're right: putting too much faith in the projections as it feeds my cynical nature. I'll withhold any further judgement until I see the actual vote totals on Saturday.
Posted by: Alex Yamauchi | Dec 10, 2009 5:27:31 PM
I dont think I have ever seen anything like this year when it comes to candidates. Half of the United States never even HEARD of Suh until last week. He has a decent game against Texas, and then he is PROMOTED and forced down our throat as the H------ front runner by the 'networks'. Unfortunately, a lot of people buy into this nonsense. HE is no where NEAR one of the top players in the country -- much less in the top five. So, i just hope anyone but this guy wins it.
Posted by: Greg | Dec 10, 2009 5:29:47 PM
Wow greg you obviously dont watch much college football. He has been in contention for the majority of the season.
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 5:33:01 PM
Mark Ingram is going to win the Heisman trophy ! Period. And he fully deserves it. Congratulations to Toby Gerhart on winning the Doak Walker, and to Suh on the Lombardi, Outland and others. They are tremendously deserving. One of these guys will probably also win the Maxwell Award. Both the Doak Walker and the Maxwell have a history of giving their award to upperclassmen, not sophomores. Too bad Chad and the other Stanford folks have so little class or football knowldege.
But make no mistake, the 2009 Heisman Trophy will be presented Saturday night to Mark Ingram
Posted by: Davis | Dec 10, 2009 5:34:20 PM
A little known Suh fact.
In twelve regular season games Suh had a total of 7.5 sacks.
In one game against Texas he was credited with 4.5 sacks.
Just the facts, mam.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 5:35:36 PM
greg, did you not notice how suh won the espn nissan fan voting as a write in candidate? he lead that thing nearly the whole season. if anything, suh was harmed by the national media's decision to ignore him as a legitimate candidate for the majority of the season, even while spiller, ingram, mccoy, and tebow continued to be meh skill position candidates.
Posted by: strong | Dec 10, 2009 5:37:21 PM
a well-known fact: you don't need to record a sack as a DT to dominate a game.
another well-known fact: boxscorejoefriday judges players based solely on their rushing yards and passing totals. forgive him, he doesn't have a tv and can't watch the games.
Posted by: strong | Dec 10, 2009 5:37:54 PM
For all you Ingram bashers, I have the solution, if as you bashers contend, its simply a matter of who accumulates the most rushing yardage regardless of level of competition and regardless of conference and regardless of the number of carries, let's computer rank each team defense, automatically assign a power rating, extrapolate the value of each yard gain against the level of defense, the higher the power rating the more each yard is worth, include a value rating for yards per carry, and a value rating for the signicance of the yardage (ie contribution toward the win and the significance of the win) and you have your best and most valuable rusher. It seems to me the best rusher on the best 14-0 national championship team in the best conference who has contributed heavily to all of major wins (yes even Auburn) is deserving of high consideration for the Heisman. This is not a criticsm of Toby, Suh, McCoy or Tebow, just a justification for stopping the bashing of a genuinely deserving Mark Ingram.
Posted by: BearCounty | Dec 10, 2009 5:38:59 PM
This should be a two man race between Suh and Gerhart but once again the politics are going to give the award to the good player on a undefeated team not the most outstanding player that year. If you want to get really into the stats then why don't you mention the stats from the other running backs at Alabama, I would guess they are pretty good also due to a great line they had. If Gerhart was at Alabama with that line he would probably had even better stats and maybe if Suh had an offense then they would be in the NC game and Ingram would find out what every other RB and QB already knows you better have a good trainer when done playing a man named Suh.
Posted by: Gene | Dec 10, 2009 5:39:45 PM
strong for heisman
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 5:39:47 PM
You all keep comparing Gerhart, Ingram, and Dixonso here are some stats.
Gerhart 311 Att., 1736 Yds., 5.6 Ypc., Long 61, 26 Tds., 144.6 Ypg.
Ingram 249 Att., 1542 Yds., 6.2 Ypc., Long 70, 15 Tds., 118.6 Ypg.
Dixon 257 Att., 1391 Yds., 5.4 Ypc., Long 70, 12 Tds., 126.5 Ypg.
To me the more telling sign is the yards per carry it tells more than total yards and yards per game. However thats my opinion and is debatable so there you go.
Posted by: wayne | Dec 10, 2009 5:43:35 PM
If you want a legitimate candidate that gets no attention, it's Rolando McClain. He is hands down the best defensive player in the country. Not only is he the greatest player, but he is the defensive quarterback on the field calling the alignments himself. Again, the media forced Suh down our throats. If they had treated McClain the same way, HE would probably be the H------ winner this year -- and, contrary to Suh, McClain would deserve it!
Posted by: Greg | Dec 10, 2009 5:46:32 PM
A little known Suh fact.
In seven games against Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia Tech, Florida Atlantic,Iowa State, Missouri, and Louisiana Lafayette Suh had a grand total of 5 tackles for loss, 14 yards total loss.
In one game against Texas Suh was credited with 7 tackles for loss of 22 yards.
Just the facts, mam.
Posted by: joefriday | Dec 10, 2009 5:51:33 PM
greg you must be a bama fan, that doesnt watch anything else but the tide. McClain doesnt have near the impact on a game that Suh has, not even comparable. No one forced Suh into the H race but himself, I suppose the media forced Gerhart into the race as well, both kids play with there hearts on there sleeves and carry the team on there backs all season, would like to see one of these two win.
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 5:51:35 PM
So far McClain can not even win the defensive awards that the experts have said Suh is the best they have seen and experts in the NFL as well but Suh plays on a team in the midwest and people do not think they can play football in the Big XII.
Posted by: Gene | Dec 10, 2009 5:52:34 PM
McClain hasn't even won single national defensive award, please stop with this McClain was the best D player in the country.
Posted by: T | Dec 10, 2009 5:54:16 PM
Greg you said you never heard of Suh before last week. He is not going to be the #1 draft pick because of one game. He has been at the top of everybody's draft board all season. You should watch a little football.
joefriday,
Did you change your name from td? Your post look the same.
Posted by: Kelby | Dec 10, 2009 5:54:50 PM
Ingram cant even win the Maxwell award
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 5:58:16 PM
Davis,
I am not a Stanford dude. But I do think Gerhart is a better back then Ingram. Suh should win it all hands down though. Should go to the most outstanding college football player. Suh is the name.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 5:59:45 PM
McCoy one it last year and didn't win the big one though
Posted by: wayne | Dec 10, 2009 5:59:55 PM
i meant Tebow
Posted by: wayne | Dec 10, 2009 6:00:43 PM
Mclain won the Butkus award. That is a national defensive award.
Posted by: bryce | Dec 10, 2009 6:02:22 PM
I'm a Bama fan and Ro is the best LB in the country(he did win the Butkus for a reason) but he's not the best and most dominant player in the country..that goes to Su. That's why he's more deserving of possibly winning the Heisman.
My biggest problem with Su is that before the Big 12 Championship Game nobody really even mentioned his for the Heisman and after one monster game(as impressive as it was) he deserves the Heisman? That smells of Charles Woodson winning over Peyton Manning. I'm just comparing that situation with this one because if Su won he would be way more deserving then Woodson but the circumstances stink.
Ingram played his best against the best teams on AL's schedule. Look at his numbers against VA Tech,LSU and FL. I think if Gerhart wins it wouldn't be terrible because he is that good a player but he gained big time yards against pathetic d's like Oregon, USC and Notre Dame. Ingram earned his yards against the toughest defenses in the most brutal conference defensivly in the country.
Posted by: Joe | Dec 10, 2009 6:02:43 PM
I am a OU fan and have gone to games for over 40 years. I have NEVER ssen a defensive tackle dominate a game the way Suh does and the bigger the game the more dominant he is. He is a great athlete but the way he understands the game and is steps ahead of everone else. is like Larry Bird , or Gretzky. He is second on the team in pass break ups-just crazy. Has blocked numerous field goals and at key times.
Nebr offense this yeqar was terrible worst since 1968 for them and yet they should have only one loss if the offense just did not give the ball back after Suh and the defense put them in scoring position. Gerhard is excellent, but I have never seen a back take himself out so much because he was tired, as he did in the Notre Dame game.
Posted by: James | Dec 10, 2009 6:03:40 PM
none of the names are bold?
Posted by: jason | Dec 10, 2009 6:04:15 PM
MCCLAIN DID WIN THE BUTCUS AWARD AND THE LAMBERT AWARD BOTH GIVEN TO THE NATIONS OUTSTANDING LB.
Posted by: KC CRAWFORD | Dec 10, 2009 6:06:08 PM
Greg,
I have been reading these boards for quite a while now and what you said about McClain being hands down the best defensive player this year is the most unintelligent thing I have ever heard. WOW, and you Alabama fans call us Nebraska fans, Homers?????
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:06:20 PM
I thought everyone has heard of Suh, I live in BFE montana and everyone has heard of Suh. We also know who Ingram and Gerhart are to.
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:08:03 PM
SORRY, SHOULD HAVE BEEN A K INSTEAD OF A C
Posted by: KC CRAWFORD | Dec 10, 2009 6:08:35 PM
Gerhart won the Walker award. This doesn't knock Ingram. The Walker award only takes into consideration pure rushing stats. Ingram's passing yards/TDs were not considered for the award. Ingram isn't the Offense Player in the Best Conference for nothing. That's right...the SEC is the best conference this year. 9 out of 10 experts agree with that fact.
FYI, Ingram is going to win the H____ award.
Posted by: duncan | Dec 10, 2009 6:11:02 PM
There is a bias against bama for these awards. Tiffin is the best kicker, period. And Ingram is by far the most deserving of the 3 finalists for the maxwell. I'm so mad I could puke.
Posted by: Matt | Dec 10, 2009 6:11:41 PM
Thanks for the news flash about Tiffin, can we get the weather at 11.
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:13:32 PM
MATT, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. MCCOY ONLY GOT IT OUT OF PITY. I JUST HOPE THE REMAINING BALLOTS FOR THE H**** ARE NOT AS BIASED AS THE ONES THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED. THE VOTES SHOULD IN NO WAY BE AS CLOSE AS THEY ARE. ROLL TIDE!!
Posted by: KC CRAWFORD | Dec 10, 2009 6:15:19 PM
And outside of Texas hes only played one decent team. Did good against that team but Suh wouldnt be getting any attention had that game not taken place. So Suh is just as much a part of the politics as Ingram, it just seems 926 folks out there ultimatley prefer Ingram. As they should kids good all around receiving or rushing, blocks well when needed, and is ultimatley the better player all around if you take all the things a Heisman voter should into consideration (Stats, Team Prestige, Conference prestige, Versatility, Strenght of Opponents, time on the field, and to me even the way they carry themselves off the field...i mean who wants to give a heisman to an eye gouger like brandon spikes) Which is why I think the Heisman is a great award. Defence gets shafted on this award and it always will, nature of the beast so quit being a Tim Tearbow and suck it up...there are plenty of other awards for defence and to my knowledge that award doesnt suck any of their pay away when they get to the NFL lol.
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:15:25 PM
TrueEyes I have no idea what you just said?
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:18:01 PM
Charles Woodson's Heisman was a farce due to the ESPN hype machine. The only defensive player in the last 20-25 years that really deserved the Heisman was Derrick Thomas with his 27 sacks as a hybrid DE/OLB in 1988...and he finished 10th in the balloting. Suh, when you consider the position that he plays, is the only guy to get close to that level of dominance. Woodson was a joke, Suh ain't...you can make a legitimate argument that he's the most dominant player in college football.
If Suh would have sacked Colt on the rollout, would there be a question of who the winner should be? I don't think so...and I'm a big Bama and Mark Ingram fan.
Posted by: rgw | Dec 10, 2009 6:20:06 PM
Exactly Toby cause it made sence lol
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:20:29 PM
Suh has been in talks for the H-man since the Missouri game which is Nebraksa's 5th game where he intercepted a pass....and not a tip in the air from a lineman. He jumped in the air to bat the pass and just intercepted it instead. Also, he dropped into coverage and almost intercepted another. McClain only had 2 int's on the year.... and he is freakin linebacker. He is expected to have those and way more. Not even close to the best linebacker.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:20:43 PM
chad your gay i feel bad for people like you that hate on players because your team sucks sorry but you suck dude
Posted by: dude | Dec 10, 2009 6:22:38 PM
Amazing if Ingram wins the Heisman, but gets snubbed for every other major award. I think the SEC player of the year was basically given to him for being the MVP of the SEC championship. Had Florida won, Tebow would have been the SEC MVP.
I also hope there's some hankies for Colt, because if this keeps tracking for Ingram, you will be able to knock him over with a feather on Saturday night. I honestly think the guy has no clue that the B12 Championship game actually cost him being in the top 3, let alone winning the stiff-arm.
Posted by: universalmike | Dec 10, 2009 6:23:32 PM
James,
Thanks for the truly outstanding educated post! I really mean that and no sarcasm involved.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:23:36 PM
Let me make it real simple for ya....Suh and Gerhart are great players on subpar teams with mediocre schedules, nebraska even worse than mediocre...downright bad. Just because they decided to go to schools with a crappy schedule and dominate doesnt mean they should be heisman winners.
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:24:12 PM
McClain should not be mentioned in this blog, doesnt deserve it. TrueEyes defence is spelled defense and you made no valid point. If Nebraska beats Texas Suh wins hands down.
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:24:42 PM
Ingram has the best yards per carry, fewer carries against the highest rated defenses. He has produced more against better competition. He deserves to win the Heisman.
Posted by: Frank Barnes | Dec 10, 2009 6:25:45 PM
Oh, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that McClain is the best defensive player. I think it is "fairest" to say that Suh and McClain are heads-and-shoulders above the crowd though. McClain is Alabama's statistical leader, but he's also like a Peyton Manning on defense. He sets the line, helps the safeties set coverage adjustments, and moves his fellow LBs around. His leadership is almost as important as his physical ability. It's rare when you find a guy who can lead people both by direction and example. 101 tackles, 4 sacks, 14 QBHs, 12.5 TFLs, 5 PBUs, 2 INTs, 1 FF. Considering he's a 3-4 ILB, his job should be simply to stuff the run...but he's all over the field.
Posted by: rgw | Dec 10, 2009 6:25:53 PM
Duncan,
Not truck. The Doak Walker award goes to the most outstanding runningback. Voters just dont look at the total rushing yards and vote for whoever had the most yards. Idiot
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:26:41 PM
Matt,
Homer
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:28:08 PM
oh and McClain had one INT he could have had but likely simply falling to the ground to make it, he instead batted the football like a volleyball to another LB who returned it for a touchdown. Very heady player.
Posted by: rgw | Dec 10, 2009 6:28:50 PM
you don't messure a linebacker on ints McClain is the highest graded lb for the draft on espn he coaches the defense he changes the play based on what the offense does not many players can do that
Posted by: wayne | Dec 10, 2009 6:29:49 PM
lol Never claimed to be a good speller, thats for the lil weird looking kids from scripts. But I do claim to rationalize things out. Ill say it again if Suh was on LSU, Alabama, Vtech, ANYBODYYYYYY with a decent schedule with the same stats....i would campain for him to win the Heisman. But im not gonna pretend like he deserves it with Nebraskas Schedule. Good god at least Stanford played somebody. Ingram deserves this, he fought the best and still had great stats. Which is why some of these ignorant folks say the exact same thing "its political, its going to a championship team, my guy from Southern Methodist college should win" gimmie a break....theres a reason 925 people vote for guys on teams near the top...they played the best.
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:30:48 PM
UNIVERSALMIKE, I CAN TELL YOU DID NOT EVEN WATCH THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BECAUSE GREG MCELROY WAS THE MVP. YOU ARE ALOT LIKE THESE VOTERS YOU DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT GREAT FOOTBALL AND GREAT PLAYERS. ROLL TIDE GO INGRAM.
Posted by: KC CRAWFORD | Dec 10, 2009 6:32:16 PM
Amen KC crawford.
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:32:55 PM
Suh destroyed V Tech, thats the only reason Nebraska was in that game, he just blew Texas up Schedule?
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:34:14 PM
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 2 teams EVERYBODY else sucked they played lol
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:35:17 PM
Turdeyes,
Youre and idiot too! Youre such a homer. Obviously you didnt watch one (1) big 12 game this whole year and see how Suh controlled every aspect of the game (even though you SEC..ites require him to make 26 tackles, 12 sacks, 4 interception and 6 blocked kicks a game). Every aspect. Suh was the field general of the defense. Hands down SUH is the winner!
Also, We will wait until after all the bowl games to see who is the strongest conference. You Alabama put Tenn in a category of a great team in the SEC. Yeah...not a good team and they should have beaten you Bama idiots.
Posted by: Chad | Dec 10, 2009 6:36:36 PM
TrueEyes can you tell me who else they played?
Posted by: Toby | Dec 10, 2009 6:36:46 PM
I wont keep arguing the same point....if Suh played for Alabama with those stats he would be a hands down 100% winner. He picked a school going through a crappy schedule season and thats why hes going home empty handed...at least considering the Heisman. NOT cause hes on defense.
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:38:11 PM
missouri and oklahoma are the only other 2 ranked ones
Posted by: TrueEyes | Dec 10, 2009 6:39:14 PM
TrueEyes, JUST READING SOME OF THESE STUPID COMMENTS BY THESE IGNORANT CORNHUSKERS AND TOBY LOVERS MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL. I USED TO LIKE NEBRASKA BUT I WILL NEVER PULL FOR THEM AGAIN IF THIS IS ANY INDICATION OF THERE FAN BASE.
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