2009 Trash Talk (open thread)

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Kari Chisholm | November 30, 2009 | Comment on This Post (443 so far)
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Why Toby Gerhart should win the Heisman this year:
- 1736 yards has him leading the nation in rushing yards by a good bit
- 26 rushing touchdowns to lead the nation and set a Pac-10 rushing touchdown record (think of all the other great running backs and Heisman winners he is beating for this record)
- 1 THROWN touchdown makes that 27 total this season
- 144.7 yards per game on average
- 200.3 yards per game vs. Top 25 ranked teams (let’s see Mark Ingram and his 30 yards vs. Auburn’s #53 defense do that!)
- 223 yards against #8 ranked Oregon
- three 200-yard games this season
- 10 (TEN!) 100+ yard games this season
- he did this on an arguably “average” Stanford team, which suggests that most of it is due to his own talent and unbeatable determination
- faced harder opponents than McCoy or Ingram faced (and certainly harder than Kellen Moore faced) and played better
- why his opponents were harder: SEVEN Pac-10 teams were Top 25 ranked this year
- was consistent all season, unlike McCoy who faltered during the first half of the season
- ridiculously powerful and strong, but also quite agile and surprisingly fast (alternates between jumping over people, side-stepping them, out-running them, running right over/through them, and ripping a shoulder into them to throw them out of his way)
- vs. Tim Tebow: Tebow is a great player and is admirable off the field, but he simply has not had a Heisman season this year

Outside of football:
- always credits his teammates with his success, and is one of the most humble people you will meet
- is a genius and works extremely hard in school: about to finish as a Management Science and Engineering major at Stanford (on of the school’s hardest majors) with a 3.25 GPA
- taking 21 hard units this quarter (average at Stanford is 15 per quarter; you have to PETITION to take more than 20 units/quarter)
- a high prospect in the MLB after three successful seasons on Stanford’s top-ranked Varsity Baseball team

Posted by: Chris | Dec 2, 2009 5:16:15 AM

Colt McCoy's major is Sports Management. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: huey | Dec 3, 2009 12:14:14 PM

Colt McCoy is a stupid selfish jerk that should NOT win the Heisman. The way he played in the Big 12 was TERRIBLE!

Posted by: Rachel | Dec 5, 2009 9:29:16 PM

McCoy looked terrible last night. SUH for Heisman.

Posted by: sam | Dec 6, 2009 11:26:12 AM

Colt McCoy needs to call his lawyer cuz he was SUH'D last night. Ndamukong threw ur Texas pretty boy around like a ragdoll. What 10 tackles 2 assists and 4 sacks? That's one hell of a performance. While McCoy only completed 56% of his passes and threw 3 ints!! SUH-PERMAN for heisman! The best player in the contry wears #93, it's a man called Suh, end of story

Posted by: Ryan | Dec 6, 2009 11:47:11 AM

Colt McCoy needs to call his lawyer cuz he was SUH'D last night. Ndamukong threw ur Texas pretty boy around like a ragdoll. What 10 tackles 2 assists and 4 sacks? That's one hell of a performance. While McCoy only completed 56% of his passes and threw 3 ints!! SUH-PERMAN for heisman! The best player in the contry wears #93, it's a man called Suh, end of story

Posted by: Ryan | Dec 6, 2009 11:47:11 AM

If Ingram doesn't get it after his performance yesterday they shouldn't bother giving it anymore.

Posted by: Kevin | Dec 6, 2009 12:51:46 PM

SUH, Not only is he the best player in college football this year he is the best DT to play college football in the last 25 years. If he doesnt win this award after winning EVERY defensive award this year (which he will) how can he not be awarded the Heisman? He is the best player in college football period end of facts!

Posted by: bulldog | Dec 6, 2009 1:28:48 PM

Ingram is on and off in his performance. Sure he got a decent 113 yards against Florida, but 30 yards versus Auburn? That's not Heisman quality.

Posted by: sam | Dec 6, 2009 4:01:08 PM

Ingram had 189 total yards with three touchdowns vs. Florida. And if Ingram can be penalized for his one sub-par performance then the same treatment must be given to:

Suh: 3 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 tfl vs. Kansas
McCoy: 186 yards passing, 3 ints, -22 rushing yards, 1 rushing td vs. Nebraska
Gerhart: 94 total yards vs. Wake Forest
Tebow: 215 total yards, 1 rushing td, 2 int vs. Mississippi State

any of this Heisman quality?

Posted by: Kevin | Dec 6, 2009 5:46:42 PM

As a longhorn fan, I cant say McCoy should get it either. It is not a lifetime achievement award. Its the best college football player. Maybe Ingram gets it, and the Heisman Curse helps Texas win a National Championship. :) As for his major in sports management, so what, they make a ton of money. I can see him as a Coach some day like Applewhite. So do not put down the Millionare to be.

Posted by: madcow | Dec 6, 2009 6:14:26 PM

Kevin, If you want us to look past single game performances, then why do you bring up his game against Florida as a deciding factor on why he should win?

Posted by: sam | Dec 6, 2009 7:20:42 PM

Colt McCoy is a JERK! and he does not deserve the Heisman!

Posted by: Sarah | Dec 7, 2009 2:03:22 AM

I really dont want a bama player to win the hunk of junk. Heck even a murderer has one. If I have to tell you then you should not be here.

- faced harder opponents than McCoy or Ingram faced (and certainly harder than Kellen Moore faced) and played better
- why his opponents were harder: SEVEN Pac-10 teams were Top 25 ranked this year

This was about Gerhart. The pac 10 has on average the worst rushing defenses in BCS conferences.

Did he face any top 5 teams in defense this year? Name the harder opponents that he faced. Tebow and Ingram have 6 common opponents. He rushed for less that 50 yards against Wake Forrest. You have been smoking your home grown again.

Now the UCS has hit the skids you think the pac 10 will have a team in the top ten. How many teams did the PAC 10 send to bowl games?

I think you should write with facts instead of fantasies.

Ingram can win the N/C and Heisman. Gerhart is a great player but to say he is the greatest why did his team loose 4 games? Great players pick up the team and will it to win. I would give it to su before gerhart. How many yard did he pick up after contact with a defensive player? he rushed 75 times in one game. Hell Ingram would have ran for 500 yards against UTC 75 time 8.9 per carry is 667 yeard. Saban pulled him at half time in 3 of Bamas blowouts.

Please dont vote for ingram , wait untill next year

Posted by: billT | Dec 7, 2009 5:48:26 AM


Posted by: HomerJ | Dec 7, 2009 7:34:01 AM

Suh is easily the best player in college football, with CJ Spiller close behind. How many DT's do you see with interceptions? Leading the team in tackles? Sacking another Heisman favorite 4.5 times in the conference championship and making it look easy? And it's not like McCoy can't run- he ran for 175 yards the week before! Nebraska lost four games because they have one of the worst offenses in college football. They have didn't even score a touchdown against Texas, and still almost won! The only explanation is the total domination of Suh, and he's been doing it all year. Kansas was his worst game, and 3 tackles with some QB hurries isn't that bad of a game.

Posted by: Chuck | Dec 7, 2009 7:58:15 AM

Colt McCoy should not receive one single vote - period. I thought I was watching Ty Cobb during the Big XII game. Have never seen a QB so afraid to take a hit and instead does his hook slide as in baseball. Coached to do that or not - this is football and he's terrible!

Posted by: Pat | Dec 7, 2009 8:34:33 AM

Suh is the best player. He was fantastic. When the game was on the line in the final two minutes he stopped the winningest, most accurate quarterback in NCAA history and prevented him and his team from gettting down the field and kicking the game winning field goal. What a clutch player. The best. When the championship was there for the taking he grabbed it. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 8:51:11 AM

Uh, td.....what game did you watch? In the one I saw, Nebraska lost.

Posted by: dh | Dec 7, 2009 12:20:29 PM

The award goes to the player that best helps his team all year long, not individual stats. Nebraska's offense was lack luster (at best) all year, yet there is only one game that they were out of all year long (Texas Tech). This is due to a very strong defense, and that defense was built around Suh, he made the players around him stronger. Therefore he deserves the Heisman.

Posted by: Todd | Dec 7, 2009 12:32:46 PM

what people often overlook in Ndamukong Suh is his ability to change the game. yes, he only had 3 tackles vs. Kansas, but how many times was he double teamed? Against baylor, Jared Crick (the other DT for Nebraska) had 5 sacks. Why? Because Suh was being double and triple teamed. Against Texas, he had one of the most dominating games in the history of college football. Don't just look at the numbers, look at the plays. He was being double teamed, held, chopped, and STILL made the big plays. I specifically watched him one play, he took one step, got let through (it was a screen), and he stopped and redirected and would've tackled Shipley if it hadn't been for another Husker being there. This man is a beast, and if you are going to reward the trophy to the "most outstanding player," you can't argue against Suh.

Posted by: jordan | Dec 7, 2009 1:08:42 PM

Suh is the best player. He was a great defensive tackle on a team that only lost 31% of their games. His defensive team was so good. In the final NCAA statistics they were ranked #11 in rush defense and #25 in pass defense. Its hard to do much better than that. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 1:10:06 PM

Please vote for Suh and demonstate that this award is truely awarded to the BEST player in college football and isn't some offensive popularity contest. Ask coaches which player in the nation makes the biggest impact on a game. Anyone who truely knows football nows a DT performance cannot be based on statistics. Suh is double teamed the majority of plays and still manages freakish numbers. Find me a player that consistantly takes two or three of your biggest and strongest players to slow down and you can agrue them for heisman. The heisman trophy will become a bigger joke than it already is if it isn't awarded to the best defensive lineman in college football in 25 years.

Posted by: maverick | Dec 7, 2009 1:15:07 PM

Jordan is right about that play where Suh maybe could have had a tackle if another Husker didn't. I can remember at least two other plays where Suh could have probably almost had a tackle. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 1:19:53 PM

mark ingram has almost as many yards as gerhart with 100 fewer rushes. when our qb wasnt playing good(15 quarters without a td pass) ingram and our o line single handedly kept our national title hopes alive on offense. the defenses he did all this against were the best of the best. including FLORIDA. any of yall pac ten teams wanna see florida? probly not. he had 1 bad game in a game discribed by the cgd crew as the most competitive and always even rivalry in the country. and auburn had 2 weeks to prepare for the game while alabama had 5 days. ingram is the best player on the best team in college football playing in the best conference in the country. enough said.

Posted by: graham hicks | Dec 7, 2009 1:21:31 PM

Suh is definitely the most impressive football player this year. When a team has to scheme to handle one player you know that player is special. His numbers speak for themselves. The thing I admir the most about this young man is the way he acts on the field. He doesn't have to draw attention to himself by "beating his chest" or making some other self-serving gesture. He just gets up and gets ready for the next play. He lets his play do all the talking. Very unique in this day and age.

Posted by: andy huerta | Dec 7, 2009 1:28:19 PM

Maverick is right about Suh. He gets double teamed by a guard and a center, and anyone who knows football knows that those two positions are filled by the greatest athletes on the field. A defensive tackle really has to focus on those two guys. Its not like those wimpy quarterbacks that have to know the assignments and depend on the execution of the 10 other players on offense, have the ball in their hands on every play, and defeat all 11 players on the other side of the ball to have success. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 1:43:44 PM

thanks td, i'm glad at least some of us know who the best player is. it's really interesting. i read somewhere that Suh had the most first place votes (138), but was completely left off of 140 ballots. That is just biased voting right there. The Heisman is the "Most Outstanding Player" not "Most Productive Offensive Player" or "Most Popular Player" or "Most Achieved Player" It is so sad that players like Tebow and McCoy are getting the votes. Gerhart is the only other player I'd give a first place vote for (mostly because I saw him play live this year. then again, I also saw Suh play live too). One last note about Suh, if you're thinking McCoy or Tebow because of what they've achieved, look at Suh's numbers last year?? He had 76 tackles, 7 sacks, 2 INTs (both returned for TDs). Take Glenn Dorsey of a few years ago, who was considered a dominant player, and he had 69 tackles, just 3 sacks (Suh did more than that in one game, to a BCS championship team), no FF, no INTs.

Posted by: jordan | Dec 7, 2009 2:43:27 PM

All of you people saying that Colt is a jerk are wrong. He is one of the best kids I have seen as far as class. I go to church with Colt and Jordan and they are both in church every Sunday morning whether they had a home game or one in Colorado the night before. Quit spewing this junk unless you know the facts. If all college athletes were like Colt and Jordan, we wouldn't have any issues with the kids getting in trouble. Colt deserves the Heisman and everything he is blessed with!

Posted by: JB | Dec 7, 2009 2:50:41 PM

4 1/2 Sacks, 12 Total Tackles, 7 Tackles for loss and two more QB huries, all while being double/triple teamed as well as being held the whole game by a Defensive Tackle is much more impressive than 189 total yards against a Florida team missing their best defensive player... if we're just looking at Saturday's performances. Plus, it's based on the season not just one game and Suh and Gerhart's stats both blow Ingram's out of the water.

Posted by: Adam | Dec 7, 2009 3:28:56 PM

Think about it, Suh gets double teamed and still makes plays, who cares about all these quarter backs with passing yards, there has to be a receiver to catch the ball, they need a line to block for them,how about 1 man taking on half of your offensive line and still dominating and tossing McCoy around like a ragdoll. Suh is the obvious best choice for the Heisman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mike | Dec 7, 2009 3:45:37 PM

I hate all this bashing of McCoy. I'm a Husker fan and I think McCoy is a great player right along with Ingram, Spiller and Tebow. In Satuday nights game I think Colt was frustrated (thanks to Suh and Co) because thier O has never been stopped all season long like they were in that game, and he showed it, but to compare him to Ty Cobb and call him a jerk is the same kind of home cooking Husker fans were complaining about all week end because of the added second to the clock. Enough of the bashing of guys you don't want to win it, post positive stuff about your guy. Suh is the best player in college football, hands down, and the award should go to him, probably wont, if it doesn't you wont hear him bashing McCoy or anyone else. (he does his bashing on the field)

Posted by: Jaimie | Dec 7, 2009 4:00:12 PM

Toby Gerhart didn't have the artificial advantage of a 13th game in national prime time to showcase his skills. If Toby played a third game, you'd be marveling at his 100+ yd, multi-touchdown effort, complete with the bruising runs, nasty stiff-arms, trucking fools in the secondary, and open-field acceleration worthy of a Heisman winner.

Instead, a bunch of people impulsively vote for Suh because they saw him play against a mediocre Texas OL (yeah, I said it--why do you think Texas lacks a run game?) at the right time in the season against a favorable opponent. Suh's definitely had more "bad" games than Gerhart, that's for sure...Toby's been pretty consistent as his team has learned to work with a redshirt freshman QB. He is the rock of the Stanford team that hung half a century on ranked Oregon and ranked USC.

Posted by: sam | Dec 7, 2009 5:04:25 PM

Adam is right. The opponents Suh faced would have two lineman holding him, a running back chop blocking him, and a receiver going in motion to do a crack-back blockon him and he would still make a tackle for loss on the play. I can't believe that Penn State, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Ohio State, Florida, TCU, Texas, and Alabama had better total defensive statistics without Suh on their team. Just goes to show that statistics do lie.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 5:12:18 PM

Oh, I forgot my usual signoff. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 5:16:39 PM

SUH. End of Story.

Posted by: lebruce | Dec 7, 2009 5:32:33 PM

to say Suh had more "bad games" is ridiculous! as a defensive tackle, your job is to take on two or three blockers because then the linebackers are free. Here's Suh's stats up against Phillip Dillard's (best LB) and the other DT Jared Crick (who would get more one-on-one looks)

Texas Tech: Suh: 4 tackles (2 TFL) Dillard: 12 tackles (2 TFL) Crick: 5 tackles (2 TFL)
Oklahoma: Suh: 4 tackles Dillard: 8 tackles (2 TFL), 8 tackles (.5 TFL)
Kansas: Suh: 3 tackles Dillard: 6 tackles, 3 tackles

as you can see, Dillard achieved ABOVE his tackle average on all three games where Suh had "worse" games. You think that is a coincidence? 2 out of the 3 games, Crick also achieved about his average.

the last sort of hidden statistic is QB hurries. Everywhere I've read has ranged from 22 to 25 QB hurries by Suh. He had 4 vs. Texas Tech, 3 vs. Oklahoma, and 2 vs. Kansas. I wouldn't exactly call that having "bad games"

Suh is simply doing his job as a defensive tackle of taking on more and more blockers to free the hard hits up for the linebackers. Other than Texas Tech, the Husker defense has been exceptional, and you have Mr. Suh to thank for that. Oh, and one last thing, 4 different quarterbacks have been hurt because of Suh this year (Gabbert, Sheffield, Jones, and McCoy) haha.

Posted by: jordan | Dec 7, 2009 5:43:20 PM

There was also a play where Suh was on the field, and a guy said, "Hey Suh" and he said "Yup." and then the play started. The play I'm talking about was the key play in the game and Suh did a good job.

But then Suh lunged at McCoy, causing him to throw the ball. The ball hit the ground with one second left. Suh should not have lunged at McCoy, if he knew that there was 0:06 left on the clock, and that McCoy's throwing motion, ball travel, and hitting the deck would take 0:05. A truly great player would have paused for a second, and let McCoy have one more second. This would have won the Big 12 Championship.

Give it to Suh for allowing Texas into the National Championship game with his misguided effort.

Posted by: Dotbo_SUH | Dec 7, 2009 6:02:22 PM

Jordan is right again. Averaging 3.67 tackles per game against Big Twelve competition like 4 loss Texas Tech, 5 loss Oklahoma, and 7 loss Kansas is almost unheard of. Domination is sweet. I checked for another team that also played these schools and I saw that fellow Big Twelve Championship team Texas had done so. Their defensive tackle, who is only second team All Big Twelve, Lamarr Houston, could only manage to average 4.33 tackles against these same opponents. No wonder Houston only made the second team. Suh is the greatest and only had to prove it in one game against Texas. Suh #1.

Posted by: td | Dec 7, 2009 6:55:17 PM

I really hate to bring this up but I think Gerhart will get a lot of votes from the west coast simply because he's the only one out there. I predict he will win it based on this - along with his talent of course! McCoy, Tebo and Ingram are going to split alot of the southern and eastern votes. I think Suh deserves it though.

Posted by: jules | Dec 7, 2009 6:58:06 PM

SUH!!!!! he only played bad vs kansas cause they doubled and tripled him everyplay! and he still got pressure on the quarterback it just doesnt show on the stats!

Posted by: akop | Dec 7, 2009 8:19:13 PM

Suh may have had only 3 tackles vs. Kansas, but he was being double, even triple teamed at times during that game. Teams have been setting up their defenses all year to keep Suh from being the dominating factor that he is, and yet even with this Suh still manages to be the best player in the country, either side of the ball. I personally am not a Nebraska fan, but I will admit that Suh not only shut down almost every offense he played, he absolutely slaughtered Colt McCoy Saturday. Yes, Ingram had a stellar performance as well, but he hasn't performed like that consistently. It's Suh's consistency and dominating ability that has this die-hard Texas fan yelling "Suh for Heisman!" when the finalists were annonnced earlier today, in the middle of an electronic store.

Posted by: Arsinoe | Dec 7, 2009 8:40:11 PM

"According to BCS analyst Jerry Palm, Stanford bruiser Toby Gerhart should be this year's Heisman winner. "I love Gerhart," Palm told me. "He's a one-man wrecking crew. I see a lot of Mike Alstott in him." Not a bad comparison for the Cardinal tree trunk, who averaged 200.3 yards against three nationally ranked opponents and scored 13 of his 26 touchdowns and put up about 186 yards a game against the foursome of Top 10 Oregon, USC, Cal and Notre Dame."

Longhorn homers should be hoping that Suh wins so that people don't realize that even merely competent defensive linemen, like Suh's platoonmates, can look good against a mediocre Texas OL. I'm wearing burnt orange, and I recognize mediocrity when I see it. If Texas had Toby Gerhart and his stats, I would not fear Alabama. If Texas had Suh, I think the Longhorns would still be listed as underdogs.

Posted by: sam | Dec 7, 2009 9:29:29 PM

two reasons for Ingram not to get it:

17-50 against Arkansas
16-30 against Auburn

Posted by: Stallion | Dec 7, 2009 9:43:16 PM

Suh had 4.5 sacks in the Big 12 Championship. 4.5! Even more amazing he blocked 2 kicks in one game. He has an interception and has knocked down about 10 passes all this despite being double and triple teamed. Have you ever seen a player so dominant on defense?

Posted by: Jamey | Dec 7, 2009 10:06:45 PM

I wouldn't go so far to call the other Nebraska D linemen "merely competent". Jared Crick is 29th in the nation in solo tackles; 80th in the nation for sacks. Barry Turner is 96th for sacks. In comparison, Alabama's 2nd ranked total defense only has one D lineman in those categories; Marcell Dareus at 79th in sacks.

Posted by: gs | Dec 7, 2009 10:49:24 PM

yeah, but you must not have watched the big 12 championship game. the texas DL made them all look monstrous. funny how one game suddenly creates a bandwagon full of fans.

Posted by: re: gs | Dec 7, 2009 11:00:53 PM

yeah, but you must not have watched the big 12 championship game. the texas DL made them all look monstrous. funny how one game suddenly creates a bandwagon full of fans.

Posted by: re: gs | Dec 7, 2009 11:00:57 PM

Just one question: If Gerhart (or Ingram) is bounding through a hole, Suh is there to meet him and it's one yard for a first down – who wins?

Posted by: Mean Machine | Dec 7, 2009 11:13:15 PM

Suh is the best PLAYER in college football right now!! This trophy should go to the best PLAYER, NOT the best OFFENSIVE PLAYER...

Suh is the most dominant football player this year, period!

Posted by: netwiz101 | Dec 8, 2009 6:28:01 AM

what difference does it make. the H_______ trophy used to be the most prestigious award in sports and I followed it closely year after year. then charles woodson was awarded the trophy in 1997 and it hasn't mattered since. when they stopped having a winner and started having a recepient, who cares? certainly, I feel peyton won the award, but if he didn't win it ryan leaf did. yeah, that ryan leaf who was a horrible pro QB but a great college QB. don't like either of those - how about rickie williams, ahman green, randy moss, or curtis enis? woodson wasn't even in the conversation, nor should he have been, until ESPN with it's pro-big 10 bias started preaching him up. yeah, he had a couple of strong high profile games but it was ESPN who got him awarded the trophy. as for this year or any other year since 1997, I really couldn't care less!

Posted by: barry | Dec 8, 2009 6:50:45 AM

Mr. Suh is the BEST college player. I'd bet $1,000 that he doesn't care if he wins the H....Word. He wanted his TEAM to WIN the Big 12 Championship. If he wins the H....Word, he will be modest, as I assume all the nominees would. When he is drafted #1, and signs that big contract, then he might set back and say.....Wow, I was pretty good.

Posted by: dmac | Dec 8, 2009 6:51:24 AM

the thing about Ingram is, Gerhart carried the ball 62 more times against weaker ranked defenses and still only had 194 more rushing yards them Ingram... Ingram also was pulled at half time in all of Bama's blow out games... that right there makes his stats deceiving... he is BY FAR the better back, there is no question... he had a career day: against the statistical best Rushing defense in the Nation in the biggest game of his career... the Heisman is about changing a game in situations of meaning... no one cares if you pad stats against weak teams... as far as Suh, once again... yes, he had a lot of sacks in the Texas game, but with the game on the line in the biggest game of his career: he was on the field as Texas won...

Posted by: AMC | Dec 8, 2009 6:52:44 AM

Suh does it. Just remember a week ago that Tebow was the greatest player in the history of college football. Now after one game it is Suh. He dominated the entire game, especially at crunch time at the end. It was the Texas offense vs. the Nebraska defense, Suh vs. McCoy, the Big Twelve championship and a trip to the BCS on the line in the final minute after Nebraska took the lead. Suh dominates. Nebraska goes bowling.
And don't forget those great Big Twelve games against the best teams in the country. Suh has 4 tackles against Texas Tech, 4 tackles against Oklahoma, and 3 tackles against Kansas. That is spectacular, especially when you consider that these teams are so good. I mean they only lost a combined 16 games and two of those teams are even going to really swell bowl games, the Sun Bowl and the Alamo Bowl. And Nebraska even wins two of those games and only loses the other by 21 points. Read it and weep. Eleven total tackles in three games against the best teams spells H______. Probably no defensive tackle, or even defensive player, has had eleven tackles against great teams in just three games. As Keith Jackson would say, "Whoa Nellly, Suh #1."

Posted by: td | Dec 8, 2009 7:32:53 AM

Spiller should have been invited to NY. Tebow is joke!

Posted by: Chad | Dec 8, 2009 7:49:59 AM

Gerhart is your clear winner. He broke the PAC 10 rushing TD record and his total would have also broken the SEC mark of 23. In fact, it's the 3rd highest total by a tailback in NCAA history.

Oh, and he also led the country in rushing yardage.

Posted by: David | Dec 8, 2009 8:01:37 AM

its a bandwagon of fans he (suh) deserves, but he's been on the Heisman watch since the Missouri game, where he sacked Gabbert, forced a fumble, and hurt him. Then later he intercepted him on a freakish play for any position. The INT helped set up a comeback win. Against ISU, he had 2 blocked kicks in one game!! He's a man among boys. Gerhart is good, so is Ingram. Just don't give the trophy to McCoy or Tebow. If you ask yourself the question "Who is the most dominant player?" there should be just one name that comes to mind, and that is Ndamukong Suh. There are so many intangibles that other players cannot match

Posted by: jordan | Dec 8, 2009 9:49:02 AM

Pop quiz: Whom is the Heisman Trophy awarded to? (multiple choice)
A) The best college football player
B) The best offensive college football player
C) The best glamour offensive college football player
D) The best politcally aided offensive college football player

Hint: Based on how the trophy has been awarded in the past one might conclude that playing offense is a prerequisite and the only incorrect answer is A).

Is everyone ready to hand their quizes forward?

Posted by: Nathan | Dec 8, 2009 9:59:29 AM

I don't care who gets it this year, really. After all of the selfish balloting last year by the voters who left Tebow off in order to ensure a win for Bradford, the whole system needs revision or else just call it was it is, a regional popularity contest and the candidate backed by the region who can skew the most votes wins.

I will, however, ask this question: It is now apparent that Ingram removed himself from the Auburn game because he was having such a lousy performance and wanted to be able to blame it on a "hip pointer" injury. Well, that certainly proved to be a 7-day miracle healing, didn't it? He and his coach Nick Saban obviously lied to the public in order to preserve his Heisman chances. That is wrong by any standard. He had a good year, no doubt, but so did Suh and Gerhardt and they did not have to use smoke and mirrors to prove it.

Posted by: Jake | Dec 8, 2009 10:08:46 AM

He doesn't carry the ball, but he's the best player in the game. Suh.

Posted by: RE | Dec 8, 2009 10:28:16 AM

If you put Ingram or Gerhart in a game VS Suh, he would have cut there stats down just like he did with McCoy. McCoy was looking like a Top 2 or 3 candidate before the big 12 champ game. Than he gets put in his place when he runs into the best defensive guy in country, and probably the best player in college football, Ndamukong Suh. Suh would have stopped Ingram in his tracks and given Gerhart the beating he did with McCoy. You do realize that McCoy isnt that bad. He had never been sacked 4.5 times in a game in his career, let alone by a single player. Suh has earned this reward more than anybody. And whens the last time you saw a 300 pounder SINGLE-HANDEDLY block TWO fieldgoals in one game? (NE-IA state)

Posted by: Chuck B | Dec 8, 2009 10:42:44 AM

Bama-Tennessee comes to mind. Oh, but you're not an informed college football fan, are you? And Terrence Cody, while he doesn't rack up as many gaudy stats, does as much for Alabama as Suh does for Nebraska.

Did anyone else rack up 26 rushing TDs on the season? Didn't think so. Toby for the Heisman!

Posted by: re: chuck B | Dec 8, 2009 11:16:36 AM

btw, mccoy isn't that bad, but the texas OL is actually that bad. watch bama.

Posted by: re: chuck B | Dec 8, 2009 11:17:07 AM

what was the point about Colt's major? Is sports management considered "easy"? I am a sports management major, and it it NOT easy.

Chris: Ingram has faced the hardest opponents because hes in the SEC. We ARE the hardest opponents. Im not saying Gerhart doesnt deserve it, i just dont necessarily think he played harder teams

Posted by: Shannon | Dec 8, 2009 11:52:24 AM

Here's a direct comparison between Gerhart and Ingram:

Ingram Gerhart
games below 100 yds 5 2

100 - 199 yards 7 7

200 yards and above 1 3

Ingram had 5 games in which he rushed for under 100 yards. How can anyone consider him the top candidate for the H****** trophy? If he played for Mississippi State, he'd have no consideration at all. Or think of it this way, if Gerhart played for Alabama and Ingram for Stanford with their same stats, who would be in the lead for the tropy

Posted by: Sal | Dec 8, 2009 11:55:56 AM

forget about everyone else COLT MCCOY hands down!!!!

Posted by: Luke | Dec 8, 2009 12:46:56 PM

SUH!! SUH!! SUH!! SUH!! SUH!! SUH!! Constantly double-teamed. Every team had to account for him on every play. While Gerhart is a good running back, he's just a good running back. Giving it to a defensive player (1/2 of football) will greatly legitimize the Heisman since it has been looked upon as a shoe-in for the quarterback of the #1 team. SUH is special! Let's have an "historic" Heisman?

Posted by: Dave S | Dec 8, 2009 12:51:34 PM

Sums it up!

Posted by: Jeff | Dec 8, 2009 1:59:51 PM

Colt is the only true contender for the Heisman He will be on the Natioanl Champions this year and he should have had the heisman last year he was ripped off, Colt just doesn't know how to loose Colts receivers might have let Colt down Except-Ship-Williams) sure TDs were droped balls stolen after the reception was made you can't blame Colt for these things but when the Game was on the Linr Colt McCoy Lead his Team down the Field and Won the Game end of Story Colt for Heisman and Look out don't sell The Longhorns Short they are winners ! and So is Colt McCoy !!!!!

Posted by: Billy Walker | Dec 8, 2009 2:34:07 PM

2nd choice is Suh if he was an offensive player but hes not and this is an offense award,
Ingram was benched the week befrore against there in State Rivals and had under 55 yards three times this year -Really doesn't sound like a Heisman winner to me ,Toby the best running back this year without a doubt but he could not carry his team they lost what 4 games (cant be the Heisman Winner lossing 4 games)
Tbow not a very good year ranked 6th in his conference in almost every QB category9Cant be the winner)
looks like It has to be Colt McCoy the QB with the most wins in college Football history who is 13-0 this year and is 25-1 in the last to years !
Colt McCoy 2009 Heisman Trophy Winner- Texas 2009 National Champs That right National Champ!!!!

Posted by: Billy Walker | Dec 8, 2009 2:43:21 PM

Seriously, I would love to see each one of the finalist go head-to-head against Suh. Have you ever seen how a cat will play with its prey before eventually devouring it or a snake will slowly squeeze the life from its next meal? If not, ask McCoy what he thought about facing the biggest, baddest, strongest DT ever to play the game. The guy is a beast... arms as big as tree trunks, speed like a LB, upper body strenth like a gorilla, a calm, calculated and very self respecting student athlete who is motivated by giving his best each and every play. Never has he showboated, gloated, or claimed he is the best. He praises his teammates, coaches and what he has been taught and never takes a play off as you could find him making tackles downfield routinely throughout a game or the season. Suh was often double and triple teamed and was a playmaker that could easily change the outcome of a game or how an offense would attack the Nebraska defense. If you think about it, he was Vince Young on the defensive side of the ball. A young man who plays amongst boys and arguably is one of the best interior defensive linemen to ever play the game.

Problem is that the Heisman was originally awarded to the best all around player in college football but has become nothing but a popularity contest with those student athletes along the east and west coasts pulling down a majority of the votes as a majortiy of the voters/ballots are cast from those heavily populated areas. It is what it has become and although all are deserving none have truly put on a performance each and every game that stands above all others. Suh will take home plenty of hardware for his work, dedication, effort and performance but sadly the Heisman will not be one of those.

Posted by: Widowmaker | Dec 8, 2009 2:43:48 PM

you guys who claim this is an "offensive award" are idiots. It is for THE BEST PLAYER IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. And from what everyone is saying, NE fan or not. Suh has dominated. Suh has more of a right to earn this award more than anyone.

Posted by: Chuck B | Dec 8, 2009 3:07:51 PM

And as far as Colt goes... Sorry but Suh made da* sure that he would NOT win heisman. Great player, but turned out to be a punk when it came to BIG 12

Posted by: Chuck B | Dec 8, 2009 3:09:29 PM

I wouldn't dream of ever giving the Heisman to Suh. Sure the guy is a beast, but he had one amazing game on a big stage against a mediocre OL with help from a great DL and now everyone is on the Suh bandwagon. Suh got 1/3 of his sacks in one game. One game out of the entire season. I'd vote for Suh if most of his games were like the Big 12 Championship, but guess what, they weren't.

The Heisman winner has to be consistent and play at his best when playing against the best, which is why the Heisman should go to Toby Gerhart. The guy averages over 200 yds against ranked teams and leads the nation (by a lot) in TDs. So what if he doesn't play on an undefeated team, Stanford is where it is right now due largely in part to Gerhart. Stanford's 4 certainly can't be blamed on Gerhart. He hasn't had a bad game, and when he rushed for under 100 yards (happened only 2 times)it was because Harbaugh didn't give this workhorse the usual amount of carries. He's everything a Heisman candidate should be.

Posted by: alexgs08 | Dec 8, 2009 3:19:26 PM

It is so ironic that on the day that Birmingham News sports moron Kevin "Sham"ansky declared that he did not vote for Mark Ingram my renewal for the Birmingham News came in the mail. Guess who I am leaving off MY renewal list!

Posted by: Tnsguy | Dec 8, 2009 3:31:23 PM

Suh has been consistent!! Sure, 1/3 of his sacks were in one game, but not 1/3 of his tackles, or interceptions, or block kicks, or quarterback hurries. You are doing what everyone shouldn't do, which is look at ONLY stats. Watch him play, each and every play and you will see he is smarter than any other defensive player in the nation. Not only is he a phenom athletically, but he knows the schemes, he knows what to look for and what to do. Its tough to compare his football IQ to the others but I'd 100% say he is SMARTER than the other ones when it comes to football. Defense wins championships, not offense

Posted by: jordan | Dec 8, 2009 4:21:36 PM

To those who post here that Colt McCoy is a JERK or any other hateful word could not be further from the truth. You may have your opinion that he does not deserve the Heisman or you may just dislike Texas, but Colt is a truly genuine young man with great character. I only wish there were more college football players like him these days.

Posted by: MRW | Dec 8, 2009 5:56:38 PM


Posted by: huskers 1 | Dec 8, 2009 6:37:47 PM

I thought I should throw out some facts to back up a statement I will make later. Looking back at former Heisman winners that I think were clearly the best in the year they won include the following: Tebow 2 years ago when he passed for 3,300 yards, 32 TD's and 6 picks and had 895 yards rushing. Bradford when he passed for 4,700 yards, threw 50 TD's and 8 picks with a rating of 180. Reggie Bush when he averaged 222 all purpose yards per game and 8.7 yards per carry. Mike Rozier when he rushed for 2,500 yards and still holds the NCAA record for 7.8 yards per rush. Billy Sim who averaged 160 yards a game and 7.6 per carry. Compare these to Ingram's 1,500 yards and 118 per game average or Gehardt's 5.6 yards per carry and 145/game. Tebow this year had his third best year - clearly not Heisman stuff and McCoy had 3,500 yards, 27 TD's to 12 picks and a very average rating of 147.

While the two running back candidates are the best this year and the QB's have had great careers, they all are more average than outstanding when compared to other greats. The point: this is a year of below-average talent in the skilled positions.

Now consider Suh. Commentators across the country almost unanimously agree that he is the best defensive player for the past 10-15 years. I won't repeat his stats - they speak for themselves. Mel Kyper has had him number one on the draft board for all fall. There was not one game that he did not dominate and in spite of knowing his skills Texas was schooled by him all night. If a player of this caliber cannot win in a year that the skilled players are below historical standards then they may just as well rename the award "the most valuable skilled player award".

I have heard more national announcers say "Suh is the best player in college football but he won't win" I want to bang my head against the wall. If not this year - when? Apparently never.

Posted by: Barry | Dec 8, 2009 6:57:42 PM


Posted by: Al Vann | Dec 8, 2009 7:12:08 PM

Put Suh straight up against Ingram or Gerhart on a football field and he would throw them around like they were still in pee wee league. Suh is quick, strong, powerful and explosive. He is a monument of an athlete but unfortunatley DT get very little glory.

Posted by: maverick | Dec 8, 2009 7:58:17 PM

Put Suh straight up against Ingram or Gerhart and he would throw them around like they were in pee wee league. Suh is quick, strong, powerful, and explosive. He is monument of an athlete unfortunaley, DT's don't get the glory. Although, Suh pry won't win this rigged awardy, his very large paycheck from one very lucky NFL team will show his true worth. Suh makes the pro bowl within 3 years in the NFL

Posted by: maverick | Dec 8, 2009 8:03:17 PM

Of course there is no defense in the pac-10 you ignorant people

Posted by: from NY | Dec 8, 2009 10:08:20 PM


Posted by: from NY | Dec 8, 2009 10:08:37 PM

Ok let's get this right. SEC is overrated in all categories. In 2009 ESPN statwatch says the top 6 PacTen teams played tougher schedules than any of the SEC Teams. Similarly, ESPN statwatch shows SEC Defenses are statistically inferior to PacTen Defenses. Also, SEC schools typically produce functionally illiterate footbaall players many of whom can't even read at a 6th grade level. Try as you might you BRAINWASHED SEC worshippers the facts reveal a far different story than your daddy has been shoving down your throat.

Posted by: Bubby South | Dec 8, 2009 10:35:10 PM

We need a playoff badly. The stupidity of the aholes from the SEC claiming they have the "best defenses" soooooooo lame. If that's true how do you explain UTAH..... that's right.... UTAH white washing your "best defenses" last year in the game that mattered? Youre all full of shit. But, then we figured that one out just based on the fact that y'all sit around eating hush puppies and farting while u watch Bama.

Posted by: scharlene | Dec 8, 2009 10:37:57 PM

Right SEC is overrated. People saying this havent been watching ESPN. They're constantly saying how we have the best Defenses in the world. ESPN is the last word on Defenses in the world so we must be the best. I know we don't ever play out of our conference so no one really gets to test us. And i know you're gonna say well what happened when we got schillacked by UTAH last year. Well UTAH was bein influenced by satan that night. That's all i can think of. The Beast.

Posted by: Brandy | Dec 8, 2009 10:40:30 PM


Here's 38 seconds of Heisman play...

Posted by: Miles | Dec 8, 2009 10:44:33 PM


check that out...nice

Posted by: Miles | Dec 8, 2009 10:46:19 PM

This is special...

Posted by: StiffArm | Dec 8, 2009 10:47:18 PM

Gerhart doesnt discriminate. Here watch...he runs over two black guys then a white guy.


Posted by: Obama | Dec 8, 2009 10:51:02 PM

Here's the protracted Gerhart Clip...this is fun to watch....All you haters out there how can you hate this???


Posted by: Obama | Dec 8, 2009 10:52:25 PM

SUH is the best player in college football.
The Heisman Trophy is awarded to the best player in college football.
Therefore, SUH=Heisman

Posted by: suh4heisman | Dec 8, 2009 10:57:20 PM

When Gerhart ran for 125 Vs ASU.....at that time ASU had the 2nd ranked....that's 2nd with a two....ranked defense in America....that's America...the US of A......so, to all of you SEC has the best defense brainwashed robo-fools you can kiss my ass.

Posted by: Obama | Dec 8, 2009 11:07:57 PM


Posted by: MICHAEL CLARK | Dec 8, 2009 11:55:25 PM


Posted by: MICHAEL CLARK | Dec 8, 2009 11:58:53 PM

How many people block for Suh? Last I counted, zero.
How many people block for McCoy? Last I counted, five or six or seven.
How many people block for Ingram? Last I counted, five or six or seven.
How many people block for Gerhart? Last I counted, five or six or seven.
Tebow, not a factor.

Suh does it all by himself. Double and triple teamed. If The others did not have blockers, I highly doubt they run or pass for anything. I know for fact neither Spiller or McCoy did anything vs Suh.

Look what happened to McCoy vs Nebraska, Suh sacked him 4.5 times. Hurried McCoy enough that he threw three INTs and almost threw the game away.

Luckily in Texas they buy luxury suites at ground level with railings. Hardly any view of the field whatsoever, mostly player and sidelines buttocks. They watch the game on TV from their luxury suite.

How did Suh do vs CJ Spiller in last year's Gator Bowl? Spiller had 17 yards rushing.

Posted by: Husker Power | Dec 9, 2009 5:05:38 AM

I think something that should be strongly considered by all these voters that completely leave Ingram off of their list is this: It is much easier to prove your prowess against poor teams, or at least, lesser teams than your own.

In reading through these comments, all the piling on about the statistics some of these guys have racked up, please consider the opponent.
When the sportswriters and coaches do their personal tallying, would they PLEASE consider the strength of the schedule???? How hard can it be to pass or run against a mediocre opponent?
In that case, Ingram should be a lock. And Rolando McClain should also be a serious contender.

Colt McCoy is not going to look like a Heisman contender against Alabama, and his stock will fall, in the same way Tebow's did. Too bad the H------ voting comes first. You might not see McCoy's tears but the whole team will be cryin' on the inside.

Posted by: Eve Nash | Dec 9, 2009 5:05:45 AM

Three really good options here and I suspect it will be among the tightest three-way votes ever.
But Mark Ingram is the correct choice.
He's a more complete athlete (much better in the passing game in both receptions and pass blocking).
Not as fumble prone.
Better per carry average (by more than half a yard).
Accomplished this against much better defenses.
Suh is my second choice and as much as I would get a kick out of seeing the award go to a defensive linemen, he has not been the more dominant player. Nebraska without Suh would not have reached as high as they did this season. But that's still not nearly as high as Ingram lifted Alabama.
Toby seems like a real genuine guy and as much as I respect him and what he has accomplished on the football field, he still comes up short in my estimation. Just by watching games and watching the teams play, it's clear that the level of competition is not comparable.

Posted by: nodoginnafight | Dec 9, 2009 5:55:33 AM

This website is such a treat! Terrific to see intelligent analysis.
I'd like to see Ingram - ROLL TIDE - but i appreciate this effort regardless.
Thank you.

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