Whatever you do, don't listen to Tim Tebow

From the Florida Times-Union:

"I talked to Danny [Wuerffel] and coach [Steve] Spurrier and some of those guys and listened to what they said," Tebow told the Times-Union in a phone interview Wednesday afternoon. "Their advice was to keep your vote quiet and don't tell anybody. There's always going to be people asking who you voted for and stuff. If you decline it [requests for his ballot], it'll make things easier."

Of course, that'll make things like StiffArmTrophy.com impossible. And what's the fun in that?

Seriously, Tim (and all you other voters out there), if you want to include your vote here - but stay anonymous - we can do that.

Kari Chisholm | December 11, 2008 | Comment on This Post (29 so far)
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I'm a first-time Heisman voter who wishes to remain anonymous.
My Ballot is as follows:
1. Tim Tebow
2. Percy Harvin
3. J.C.

Posted by: "Jim" Tebow | Dec 11, 2008 10:28:57 AM

LOL...... good one Jim ....... but im suprised your vote didnt look like this
1. Tim Tebow
2. Tim Tebow
3. Tim Tebow

p.s. can i get a 4th vote cause id like to vote for Tim Tebow for 4th place...

Posted by: Nick | Dec 11, 2008 11:11:43 AM

I vote for Vince Young.

Posted by: Drew G. | Dec 11, 2008 11:12:32 AM

1. Sam Bradford
2. Jermaine Gresham
3. Manuel Johnson

Posted by: Bob | Dec 11, 2008 12:20:12 PM

Im tired of everyone saying Bradford has "too much talent around him". Like McCoy and Tebow don't? They both have a great offensive line, and good enough skill position players to start about anywhere in the nation. McCoy's receivers might not be "nationally known" but they are young and Kirkendoll and Williams and Cosby and Shipley are really good receivers. Last time I checked, Jauquin Iglesias, Manny Johnson, and Quentin Chaney were all just 3 star prospects. Give it up people, Bradford's the best! BOOMER SOONER!!!

Posted by: Chris Henson | Dec 11, 2008 12:29:57 PM

I agree... what happened to all of Texas' top rated recruits?

Posted by: p | Dec 11, 2008 12:39:41 PM

agreed, but it is funny how Sam shouldnt win because he supposedly has many more weapons than mccoy and tebow but the media says Florida will win the title because they have too many fast and elusive weapons....... I have just determined the media is all crap with their own agendas and are bias on everything...

Posted by: Nick | Dec 11, 2008 1:31:44 PM

Tim Tebow is clearly the best of the best but it's all up to whether or not the big 12 can own up to this fact instead of making this a middle school popularity contest for their conference. Tim Tebow didn't play in all four quarters in most of the games because he was able to lead his team to to a substantial lead and then Coach was able to put in back-ups, so his numbers may not be as high (though by no means a disappointment, this season he broke Emmitt Smith's SEC running touchdown yards and tied Bo Jackson for the SEC, but I digress.) Bradford's stats, while impressive, are impressive for a player that plays all 4 quarters without putting any back-ups in when clearly the goal was to reach 60 points and tout those numbers. There will never be another player like Tebow and he should get this recognition. Tebow for He15man!

Posted by: Jeni | Dec 11, 2008 2:44:23 PM

"Bradford's stats, while impressive, are impressive for a player that plays all 4 quarters without putting any back-ups in when clearly the goal was to reach 60 points and tout those numbers. "

This person has no idea what she's talking about. OU has been outscored in 4th quarters all year and Sam Bradford has been on the bench for more than a GAME'S worth of time due to such big leads. That's right. Sam got his stats up there sitting out an entire game. Jeni has no idea what she's talking about and what she said is patently and demonstrably untrue.

Posted by: Mallen | Dec 11, 2008 3:56:33 PM

Anyone that thinks Bradford hasn't been sitting out most 4th quarters hasn't been watching many games. OU has only outscored it's opponents 93-85 in the 4th quarter -- that isn't running up the score. Even if you take out our Texas loss (where we couldn't score enough in the 4th quarter) our 4Q margin is 86-70.

In the first quarter, however, we outscore opponents 225-30.

Posted by: Stephen Moore | Dec 11, 2008 3:56:41 PM

It is sad that this is a popularity contest rather than a determination of talent. If any voter watched the UF/FSU game or the SEC Championship game, there is no contest......

Posted by: Thomas wheeler | Dec 11, 2008 4:36:28 PM

Just to keep people straight on this issue, according to the NCAA, the following lists where the game clock and score of the game were when Bradford left the field.

7:11 3rd Qtr (Chattanooga; leading 50-2)
4:10 4th Qtr (Cincinnati; leading 52-20)
3:25 3rd Qtr (Washington; leading 48-7)
4:44 4th Qtr (TCU; leading 35-10)
7:51 4th Qtr (Baylor; leading 49-17)
0:00 4th Qtr (Texas; lost)
6:32 4th Qtr (Kansas; leading 45-24)
7:57 4th Qtr (Kansas State; leading 55-35)
0:44 3rd Qtr (Nebraska; leading 49-14)
6:23 3rd Qtr (Texas A leading 59-21)
13:54 4th Qtr (Texas Tech; leading 65-14)
2:55 4th Qtr (Oklahoma State; leading 54-41)
3:33 4th Qtr (Missouri; leading 62-21)

On average, left the game with 9:57 in the 4th quarter (129 minutes, 28 seconds total). Played 9 games that went into the 4th quarter.

Posted by: gatorpower | Dec 11, 2008 5:57:33 PM

Bradfords got 2 things that McCoy and Tebow don't have. 2 1,000 yard rushers in the back field and he still put up those kind of stats.

Posted by: eric | Dec 11, 2008 7:28:17 PM

4:10 4th Qtr (Cincinnati; leading 52-20) up 25 pts and Sam still throwing TDs,
3:25 3rd Qtr (Washington; leading 48-7) up 34 pts on two seperate occasions in this one and Sam still throwing TDs, go ahead look it up, I'll wait!! GARBAGE
4:44 4th Qtr (TCU; leading 35-10)
7:51 4th Qtr (Baylor; leading 49-17)
0:00 4th Qtr (Texas; lost)
6:32 4th Qtr (Kansas; leading 45-24)
7:57 4th Qtr (Kansas State; leading 55-35)
0:44 3rd Qtr (Nebraska; leading 49-14)<<--wrong 62-21 OU after Bradford threw another TD up 35 pts, get your facts straight!!!
6:23 3rd Qtr (Texas A leading 59-21) what? 31 pt lead isnt decisive, you gotta throw another one??
13:54 4th Qtr (Texas Tech; leading 65-14) the ever famous 66 yd passing TD from Sam with a 44 pt lead at the end of the 3rd quarter and another 26 yd TD pass in the beginning of the 4th quarter. Was Tech really gonna come back from this deficit??? give me a break, GARBAGE!!
2:55 4th Qtr (Oklahoma State; leading 54-41)
3:33 4th Qtr (Missouri; leading 62-21)

So a bunch of Garbage TDs wins a Heisman Trophy... Nice...without these garbage TDs that yields 300+yds just on them alone. Including the drive yardage he gained, Sam throws for 3800-3900 yds and 38-40 Tds. Im glad Tebow is not the favorite to win, he will have all the time to prepare to give OU the beat down thats coming. GO GATORS!!

BTW Sam sat out a whole game huh? Well Tebow played only 1 quarter against the Citadel. sat out 3 quarters in one game, yet he Still had 210 pass yds and 3 tds. he could have ran his stats up but Urban Meyer did the smart thing, he pulled out the BEST college football player in the nation.

Posted by: joshua fields | Dec 11, 2008 7:44:56 PM

your right he doesnt have 2 1000yd rushers, there are 4 500+ yd rushers, look it up

Posted by: joshua fields | Dec 11, 2008 7:47:20 PM

joshua fields,

You need to CHILL. I am a Gator fan and I mixed that up by two-lines in the scoring summary. The point was when he left the game which is 100% accurate.

Posted by: gatorpower | Dec 11, 2008 7:53:46 PM

Dont sound much like a gator fan to me, you should be posting when Tebow left the game. Bradford had a Senior QB to come in at anytime with comfortable leads no matter what the gameclock says. Tebow was replaced by a freshman in nearly everygame as soon as a lead was established. I just think it was ridiculous for him to still be in the game throwing TDs with 4+TD leads. All this was doing was padding his stats and demoralizing opponents. Way to go Stoops, it worked on both accounts.

Posted by: joshua fields | Dec 11, 2008 8:00:17 PM

What the $$$$ is this. I thought you were discussing football not a knitting circle. If the defense cant stop Bradford why shouldn't he run the numbers up? Should we discus our feelings now? Did he cause them undue emotional trauma? The reason coaches remove QB's from the field has nothing to do with saving their opponents feelings but with concern that the QB will get injured. If Bradford had been injured in a game where they had a significant lead Stoops would've been attacked in the media, but since no one was getting anywhere near him thanks to one of the strongest offensive lines in college that wasn't of much concern. I don't care to watch a sport where the teams don't do their best so that their opponents will feel better about themselves. Bring that 'keep it close for their self esteem' crap to the NCG and see where it gets you. Boomer Sooner baby...

Posted by: Brian | Dec 11, 2008 9:04:26 PM

Of course the Gator fans don't want to post Tebow's game time exits because they wouldn't match Bradford's early exits (or they just can't count). Bradford sat 129 minutes (rounded down one minute). Gee, that's over TWO FULL GAMES. The 4th quarter scoring shows it even better, as stated by Stephen Moore above, and they don't want to respond that either. The only reason Tebow even won last year was by default because no one was left in FBS that was any good (thank you NFL policy for watering down the Stiff Arm). Even Gator fans know if Adrian Peterson had played his senior year he would have been a lock (or else they are devoid of reality).
2007 - 1. Tebow, 2. McFadden (Arkansas? ya, right, his backup was doing better in the NFL until he got hurt), 3. Colt Brennan (Who?), 4. Chase Daniel (Stiff Arm material, my behind. Where is he this year?).
McCoy is better than Tebow. Zach Robinson is better than Tebow. Graham Harrell is better than Tebow. Florida would not have even made a BCS game if they played in the Big 12 South.
If Sam doesn't win it is because he is only a Soph. Be prepared in the future for the Stiff Arm to always be watered down because the great Jr and Sr players will jump to the NFL now.
Tebow will end up in the same place as that other Florida bust, Weinke, or Wienie, or whatever his name was...

Posted by: Ron Tucker | Dec 11, 2008 9:19:29 PM

Ron Tucker,

129 minutes is NOT two full games for Oklahoma's offense. That logic is mystifying. Bradford left at the *END* of every one of his drives. I also did not post the stats for Tebow because only Bradford's 'exits' seemed to be in contention in this thread. I am *NOT* the only one whom these statistics are available to. Why don't you spend 20 minutes and research these things yourselves? I will revisit your argument that Bradford left with 2 full games left to play. Here is the remaining DRIVES, TIMES OF POSSESSION and AS A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TOTAL POSSESSIONS FOR THE GAMES for Oklahoma's offense after Bradford left.

12:05, 4 poss, 38.87% (Chattanooga)
2:14, 1 poss, 6.92% (Cincinnati)
8:17, 3 poss, 25.83% (Washington)
2:24, 2 poss, 8.16% (TCU)
4:06, 1 poss, 12.13% (Baylor)
0:00, 0 poss, 0.0% (Texas; lost)
3:13, 2 poss, 9.40% (Kansas)
3:43, 2 poss, 13.87% (Kansas State)
7:54, 4 poss, 26.96% (Nebraska)
9:15, 3 poss, 32.09% (Texas A&M)
6:02, 1 poss, 20.45% (Texas Tech)
1:55, 1 poss, 6.22% (Oklahoma State)
0:00, 0 poss, 0.0% (Missouri)
missed - 61:08, 24 poss. (4:42/game, 1.85 poss/game)
played - 321:56, 160 poss (24:46/game, 12.31 poss/game)

missed - 15.95% of total time of poss.
missed - 13.04% total poss.

Posted by: gatorpower | Dec 12, 2008 8:15:40 AM

Tebow sat for well over 100 minutes this season, and if you went back to the point where he threw his last pass, or took his last run in florida's games, it would be alot more time than that. Tebow simply did not have as many opportunities to score touchdowns this season as sam bradford. Does that mean that he somehow is less of a player than the guy who scored 55 last season? definitely Not. Bradford would not be undeserving of a heisman, but you simply cannot look at his number of touchdown passes and therefore proclaim him the best. (once again, thats 55 last year from tebow you big-12ers.) Lets also not forget that florida's defense scored 8 touchdowns this year. Thats 8 less for tebow. How about all the times when tebow options the ball on the 1 yard line when he probably couldve scored himself (probably at least 10). Anyway, they are both deserving, but you big 12ers will get your comeuppance in the BCSCG, when our heisman shows your heisman who's better. - Chomp chomp

Posted by: JJ | Dec 12, 2008 8:29:18 AM

Hey Ron, do your research, "Tebow will end up in the same place as that other Florida bust, Weinke, or Wienie, or whatever his name was..."

That was Florida State (a completely different university.)

And your comments about other players being better than Tim, interesting at most that you feel that way and offer no substantial proof to back up your claim. Tebow won the Maxwell award AGAIN last night, he can add it to his Heisman from last year and all his other awards. But since there do seem to be some misinformed voters who only want the big 12 to be on top, if it makes you feel better, take the Heisman. We'll take the national title where head to head you'll see where the true skills and team leadership is. Tim is most deserving but we're not part of the big 12 click. So whether or not he wins Saturday, Tim Tebow already has a He15sman and has only improved since last year.

See you on the field.

Posted by: Jeni | Dec 12, 2008 11:07:03 AM

The Heisman is awarded to the best player of the year, not the best passer. There are several great passing quarterbacks in the Big 12, but none of them are the complete player that Tim Tebow is. His performance in the 4th quarter of the SEC Championship game was a classic Jim Thorpe type of performance.

Posted by: Fred | Dec 12, 2008 12:05:48 PM

I will tell you this Ron Tucker, Tebow sat out 3 quarters VS. Citadel. Nearly a full game. Replaced by a freshmen. So he sat out nearly as much as Bradford did all season in one game. I hope TOUCHDOWN TIMMY doesnt win the he15man!!!! Let Bradford get his trophy and get mixed up in all the media drama...Meanwhile Timmy will be back in Gainesville preparing to destroy another overrated #1 Team in the BCS NCG. OU this and OU that...most powerful offense..best QB...Yea we heard this all of 2006 about OHio St. And then Florida showed up to the stadium and the rest was history. Alabama/Florida was the real NCG. Its gonna be all Gator fans on the blogs 1/8/2009, cause you aint gonna hear a peep out of all the boomer sooners!!!!!!

Posted by: joshua fields | Dec 12, 2008 4:10:40 PM

All 3 players are great. Tebow is like having a fullback with an arm. McCoy can throw, run, and even drop a shoulder and lay out a d back. Bradford has great vision, accuracy, and smarts. They are all deserving of the StiffArmTrophy. Plus Bradford has better stats than all the other QB StiffArmTrophy winners. Bradford wins so quit your damn crying. Freakin Babies. BOOMER SOONER!!!!

Posted by: eric | Dec 12, 2008 4:39:46 PM

129 / 15 minutes a quarter = 8.6 quarters. I told you Florida Gators can't count. I didn't think that the game times and quarter times were different for OU's games compared to the rest of the country. All I have are facts. I still don't see the Florida/Tebow times. Too damn afraid to research yourself and post them.

And the reference to Florida is the STATE of Florida.

You still haven't responded to the fourth quarter scoring "drought" suffered by OU in their games. Running up the score and padding stats my ass. I turned on games 10 mintues late and missed all the excitement. 21-0 or 28-0 in the FIRST quarter. Oklahoma State would have beat Florida. Zach Robinson's stats (considered 4th best in the Big 12 South) are Tebow-like:

2008 Comp Att Yards % Rate TD INT RushYds RushTDs
Tebow - 174 268 2515 64.9 176.74 28 2 564 12
Zach - 177 264 2735 67.0 178.01 24 8 508 7
and I'll add McCoy's:
Colt - 291 375 3445 77.6 179.20 32 7 576 10
Talk about other Big 12 South "Complete Players".

And Zach's numbers are with a great RB on OSU's team (Hunter) to run the ball inside the 10 yard line. I could bet half of Tebow's Rushing TD's were from 5 yards or less. Tebow left, Tebow right, Tebow up the middle. It didn't work too well against Alabama from what I saw. And to mention him in the same breath as one of the greatest athletes in this country's history from the State of Oklahoma no less, Thorpe, is dreaming... no, actually laughable.

Bradford - Davey O'Brien Award - BEST QUARTERBACK.
As for Jan 8th, may the best team win and surely they will.
And you can eat those words becasue it looks like Bradford is going to win, like I said, surprising even me.

Posted by: Ron Tucker | Dec 12, 2008 7:37:34 PM

For those of you from from Florida that can't count, gatorpower's game times when Bradford left are are where I got 129 minutes. He didn't play in 4 games in the 4th quarter - (15 x 4 = 60 minutes, ah, one full game right there), the remaining times for the 3rd quarter and fourth quarter equal about 69 minutes. Who the heck comes up with convoluted "percentages" of possessions? Minutes are all that matter and most everyone use as a measure.
I'm still waiting for ANYONE to respond to the "running up the score" argument. The only game anyone bases this on is the Big 12 Champ game which any team would have tried to get that 60+ record including Florida, if they would have had the chance. Plus, from what I hear, all week Missouri trash-talked how OU did not belong in the game and that they would beat them (mostly Daniels) and that they were lucky to have won last year. Missouri deserved what they got. That's sports. Put up or Shut up, and OU shut them up.

Posted by: Ron Tucker | Dec 12, 2008 8:17:50 PM

I like the way people rationalise (sic). If tebow wins great.if he loses great, he will be preparing for big game. Let's be honest with ouselves gator fans. we want Tebow to win and win the BCS as well.

Posted by: eddie kay | Dec 13, 2008 4:29:02 PM

I know it's fun to post trash-talking and posturing in these comments. But I do congratulate each of the three "kids" (I can't believe I say it that way), they are all great role models. My congrats especially, to my surprise, Sam. They are each incredible and represent what we want the future to be, compared to some of the other crap that is in the sports news, especially OJ and Buress. I hope each one succeeds in the future, particularly the NFL and believe each can. Our young children can all be inspired by each. It would be a testament to what happened this year if that happened.

I do stand by my comments about the watered done competition, proved by the award being picked up by sophomores (for the first two time) the last two years. But that is the reality of today's world. It allows for the younger players to really shine when they couldn't before. It doesn't make their accomplishments any smaller, just from younger, great young men. That may actually be a positive to this world.

I hope OU wins the BCS but if they don't, it has been fun and it will be next year and the next.
I hope Texas trashes Ohio State (from an OU fan - high praise). I did root for Florida two years ago. If anyone has been offended, this is just talk and go have some fun tonight regardless.

On a side note away from this hype, if anyone wants incredible inspiration, ESPN just had the Jimmy V week. His ESPY speech is one of the most inspirational speeches I have ever heard. The link is http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/feature/index?page=jimmyv08 and select the first video on the right. The only time I ever watched the ESPY's was that night and I was channel surfing when I came across it. I read later that Jimmy was very sick before and after the speech, but you would never know watching him. It is worth every second of your time.

Posted by: Ron Tucker | Dec 13, 2008 9:56:17 PM

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