What do other projections and polls say?

This time of year, there's a lot of other projections and polls out there. Seven years in a row we've picked the winner correctly - and there's no other projection that can make the same claim. Nonetheless, it's always good to check in on what the others are saying.

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Scripps-HowardIngramSuhGerhartMcCoyTebow & Spiller
Heisman Pundit PollIngramGerhartMcCoy & SuhMoore
ESPN Heisman WatchGerhart & IngramSuhMcCoyTebow & Spiller
CBS Heisman WatchGerhartIngramMooreMcCoySuh
NBC Experts PollIngramGerhartSuhMcCoySpiller
USA TodayIngramGerhartMcCoy & SuhMoore
Sports IllustratedSuhIngramGerhartMcCoyMcClain
ESPN PredictorMcCoyIngramGerhart 
Heisman Pundit, himselfMcCoyIngramGerhartTebowSpiller

The Scripps-Howard News Service is a weekly poll of 10 actual voters - and has correctly projected the winner 18 of the last 22 years (and 6 of the last 7; missing out in 2008.) This year, they've got a near tie at the top with Ingram leading Suh by a single point (their closest margin ever), followed by Gerhart (who got the most first-place votes), then McCoy - and then a fifth-place tie between Tebow and Spiller.

The Heisman Pundit poll of thirteen actual voters, pegged the final order of finish this way: Ingram, Gerhart, (tie) McCoy & Suh, Moore. Of course, we know that Tebow did better than Moore, so that's not quite right.

The ESPN Heisman Watch experts poll features 15 participants (of which most, and perhaps all, are actual voters.) In their final poll of 2009, they've got a dead-heat tie between Gerhart and Ingram, followed closely by Suh. Colt McCoy is a solid fourth, followed by CJ Spiller and Tim Tebow. Since Spiller's not a finalist, we know that's also off.

The CBS Sports Heisman Watch experts poll - which features five participants (but only one actual voter, as far as we know) - pegs the order of finish this way: Gerhart, Ingram, Moore, McCoy, Suh. Since Moore's not a finalist, we know that he won't get third place -- and Tebow's at least somewhere in the top five.

At NBC Sports, they've got an Experts Poll that includes a mix of 22 experts that includes a smattering of actual voters and quite a few that we know aren't. Their order of finish: Ingram, Gerhart, Suh, McCoy, Spiller. This one missed the Suh/McCoy tie that USAT and HP have by just a single point. Meanwhile, they've got Tebow in a three-way tie for 6th with Golden Tate and Dan LeFevour.

Over at USA Today, they've got seven official voters. And while they don't bill their combined votes as a poll, we thought we'd total up the winner there. The USA Today combined order of finish is: Ingram, Gerhart, (tie) McCoy & Suh, Moore... exactly the same as the HeismanPundit.com poll.

At Sports Illustrated, they've got ten official voters. It's not intended to be a predictive poll, but here's how SI's ten votes combine: Suh, Ingram, Gerhart - followed by a smattering of votes for McCoy, McClain, Spiller and Tebow.

Over at ESPN, Ryan McCrystal has put together a Heisman Predictor that does a prediction based on stats and claims to have been right the last six years (though I don't remember seeing it before.) It's tough this year, I suspect, because the system doesn't likely consider defensive stats. Nonetheless, the final ESPN Heisman Predictor predicts a close finish with McCoy just ahead of Ingram, followed by Gerhart. (In an online chat today, McCrystal discusses it.)

Finally, the Heisman Pundit himself, Chris Huston, told the New York Times that his personal expert prediction has the order of finish as: McCoy, Ingram, Gerhart, Tebow, Spiller. And again, we know he's off by a little bit - as Spiller didn't make the finalist cut, while Suh did.

The proof, as always, will be in the pudding on Saturday night.

Update: Over at Jacksonville.com, Mike DiRocco compiled most of these polls into a single compilation (including one of our recent projections) and came up with this order of finish: Ingram, Gerhart, Suh, McCoy, Spiller.

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Toby is more deserving anyways!

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:28:24 PM

Kari,

You need to post who you think is going to win based on your methodology. There is no dishonor in missing what is likely to be the closest voting ever. What will be unacceptable is if you do not take a stand, trust your methodology, and post a winner. Saying it's "too close to call" is playing it safe and trying to protect your record.

Thanks for the time and effort you put in this.

Posted by: cooleyo | Dec 11, 2009 6:32:13 PM

Wow there are idiots posting comments. It takes both sides (offense and defense) to win a game. Nebraska lost those games, because of their offense. If the Heisman was about the wins and losses then Suh shouldn't win it. But it's not! It's about the best player in college football. Tebow is good but not his best performance this year. McCoy is all hype and wasn't that impressive this year. Ingram was impressive, but Suh was just as impressive. My vote would be for Suh.

Posted by: Corey | Dec 11, 2009 6:32:37 PM

IM FROM L.A BUT MCLAIN DROP BACK ON PASS PROTECTION ALOT AND HAD COUPLE OF PICKS AND BREAKUPS HES THE BAST LINEBACKER OUT THERE AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS TALK ABOUT HIM ON ESPN AND EVERYOTHER SPORT WILL SAY NOBODY IF BETTER ON D THAN MCLAIN

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 6:33:43 PM

Texas may score 24 on Bama ... but 10 will be in mop-up time ...

Final Score

Bama 37
Texas 24

after 3rd Qtr
Bama 34
Texas 14

Posted by: Steve | Dec 11, 2009 6:44:55 PM

I could care less if Texas puts up 35 points and 700 yards against Bama as long as Bama gets 36 points.

My one observation about the Nebraska defense is when the game is on the line and they have to make a stop they didn't. Bama D was in that situation in a couple games this season, game on the line and they have to stop the offense and they delivered every time. So if I had to chose between them I would have to go with Bama D, they deliver when it maters. Statistics are for losers. A wise man once said "The same things win which have always won and we just make up a bunch of different excuses when we lose."

Posted by: davecais | Dec 11, 2009 6:45:45 PM

You stupid bastard. You know nothing about Alabama so shut your fucking mouth! Bama rotated 8 LBs all year after Hightower was lost. Between them they had over 400 tackles. Any LB's around the country who had more tackles than McLain, did so because their D line sucked. There shouldn't be that many ballcarriers in the defensive backfield, dumbass. I guess McClain won both LB awards, the Dick Butkus and the Jack Lambert, so far AP and AFCA 1st team All American not to mention SEC MVP, simply because there was no one else to give them too! You POS, I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. And you dipshit, when we have 500 yards of O and VT had 155, that's getting the double dog shit beat out of them. Especially when we were starting a new QB and 3 new O linemen. You stupid inbred corn shucker! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 6:50:59 PM

You stupid bastard. You know nothing about Alabama so shut your fucking mouth! Bama rotated 8 LBs all year after Hightower was lost. Between them they had over 400 tackles. Any LB's around the country who had more tackles than McLain, did so because their D line sucked. There shouldn't be that many ballcarriers in the defensive backfield, dumbass. I guess McClain won both LB awards, the Dick Butkus and the Jack Lambert, so far AP and AFCA 1st team All American not to mention SEC MVP, simply because there was no one else to give them too! You POS, I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. And you dipshit, when we have 500 yards of O and VT had 155, that's getting the double dog shit beat out of them. Especially when we were starting a new QB and 3 new O linemen. You stupid inbred corn shucker! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 6:57:26 PM

OMG, you all sound like a bunch of idiots. You may have a lot of football knowledge
(or think you do) but you are the people that give your teams fans bad names. Bama is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. They deserve to be the #1 team and they should have been most of the year. McClain isn't even the best player on his defence in my opinion. Anyone who thinks Mclain is a better force on defense compared to Suh needs to lay off the juice.

Posted by: Tim | Dec 11, 2009 7:00:11 PM

You stupid moron. You know nothing about Alabama so shut your pie hole! Bama rotated 8 LBs all year after Hightower was lost. Between them they had over 400 tackles. Any LB's around the country who had more tackles than McLain, did so because their D line sucked. There shouldn't be that many ballcarriers in the defensive backfield, dumbass. I guess McClain won both LB awards, the Dick Butkus and the Jack Lambert, so far AP and AFCA 1st team All American not to mention SEC MVP, simply because there was no one else to give them too! You POS, I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. And you dipshit, when we have 500 yards of O and VT had 155, that's getting the double dog shit beat out of them. Especially when we were starting a new QB and 3 new O linemen. You stupid corn shucker! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 7:02:14 PM

You stupid moron. You know nothing about Alabama so shut your pie hole! Bama rotated 8 LBs all year after Hightower was lost. Between them they had over 400 tackles. Any LB's around the country who had more tackles than McLain, did so because their D line sucked. There shouldn't be that many ballcarriers in the defensive backfield, crackhead. I guess McClain won both LB awards, the Dick Butkus and the Jack Lambert, so far AP and AFCA 1st team All American not to mention SEC MVP, simply because there was no one else to give them too! You mental reject, I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. And you tard, when we have 500 yards of O and VT had 155, that's getting the double dog crap beat out of them. Especially when we were starting a new QB and 3 new O linemen! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 7:06:50 PM

'we will see come title time. Bama will not have the stats Nebraska D put up against them and you know it. mark my words. Texas will put up 24 points and over 350 yards'.

And still lose.

Posted by: mark | Dec 11, 2009 7:13:28 PM

where is your prediction? You said you would predict today? Your credibility is out the window after this one.

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:19:30 PM

Bama fan...Ingram will prob win, but it will be because many voters didn't vote for Suh because they didn't think he could win and they are trying to vote for the player with the best chance and not the best. Ingram has every benefit, position, conf, and playing on undefeated team that is number one and he is STILL within the margin of error!

Posted by: Eric the Red | Dec 11, 2009 7:22:07 PM

Just a comment on stats and what defensive tackles are supposed to do...if you know football their job is to keep o-linemen off of the backers so that they can make plays. They are supposed to draw double teams and control the line so that backers can fill holes.

Posted by: eskimo joe | Dec 11, 2009 7:22:48 PM

Kari just deleted my comment where I said that she should go ahead and make her final prediction. Touchy!

Posted by: Sammie Walker | Dec 11, 2009 7:23:27 PM

always an excuse from you Bama fans. Always. Ingram got pulled in blowouts, McClain didnt get as many tackles because Bama rotates too much, Linebackers who had more tackles was because their D line sucked. Well if their D line was so horrible and yours was so great then how come Bama's line didnt put up more tackles then Suh? (Yes I know, as a team they had a few more tackles then Suh)

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:25:23 PM

yes Tim. Exactly

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:26:18 PM

eskimo Joe,
Nebraska plays a 2 gap defense to control the line of scrimmage...hence that is what Suh did but no one could block him so he made the tackle. Even Mack Brown said it.

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:28:49 PM

they do need to make a prediction. Its what this site is all about.

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:29:29 PM

To give you perspective, here are the total stats from Alabama's, Texas', and Florida's ENTIRE DL'S for this past season with Suh's season stats listed last:

Alabama Season Totals
98tkl - 23.5tfl - 9.5sk - 20qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 3bk

Florida Season Totals
112tkl - 33tfl - 14sk - 48qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 0bk

Texas Season Totals
116tkl - 25.5tfl - 15.5sk - 10qbh - 7pbu - 0int - 2ff - 0bk

Suh Season Totals
82tkl - 23tfl - 12sk - 24qbh - 10pbu - 1int - 1ff - 3bk

Posted by: Tim | Dec 11, 2009 7:33:10 PM

You reported that Mike Rozier, one of Nebraska's three Heisman winners, voted McCoy first, Suh second, Ingram third. Are you absolutely sure about that?

Thanks.

Posted by: Stan in Virginia | Dec 11, 2009 7:33:25 PM

Texas is home working their butts off after Nebraska...is Alabama as hungry after they won the game that they were focusing on all year. Do you think Texas was sweating Nebraska all year? They will be ready to wipe their ass with your ROLL! Hook 'em Horns!

Posted by: Eric the Red | Dec 11, 2009 7:34:35 PM

this bamabeater is a funny guy...

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 7:35:59 PM

Alabama DL Season Totals
98tkl - 23.5tfl - 9.5sk - 20qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 3bk

Florida DL Season Totals
112tkl - 33tfl - 14sk - 48qbh - 5pbu - 0int - 1ff - 0bk

Texas DL Season Totals
116tkl - 25.5tfl - 15.5sk - 10qbh - 7pbu - 0int - 2ff - 0bk

SUH (Alone) Season Totals
82tkl - 23tfl - 12sk - 24qbh - 10pbu - 1int - 1ff - 3bk

Posted by: Snark | Dec 11, 2009 7:44:31 PM

bamabeater,
said nothing but true things. He is rite. Suh is the best player in college football on a mediocre team. You dont have to be an ok player on the best team to win the award. Go SUH

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 7:47:33 PM

"Texas will put up 24 points and over 350 yards."

Nebraska doesn't have the defense Bama has, man...sorry. That's extreme wishful thinking on your part if you think that the one-dimensional, one-receiver offense is going to throw Bama's defense around like Suh threw McCoy around.

You are in for a rude awakening...I'd say you AND the Longhorns, but they aren't that stupid...they are working their tails off because they know the mammoth task they have before them...period.

Posted by: JC | Dec 11, 2009 7:57:35 PM

OK, kids. It's time for you all to go to bed.

Seriously, it's like Heisman eve at Chuck E. Cheese in here.

"Ingram sucks", "Gerhart sucks", "Suh sucks". Let me clue you all in on something:

None of you have a Heisman vote and it's quite obvious that very few of you are intelligent enough to judge the worthiness of a Heisman candidate.

Football players are used in different ways by their coaches and it is reflected in their statistics.

Ingram is a multi-purpose back on a pro-hybrid offense that has a lot of talented skill players. Gerhart is the feature back in a more traditional pro-style offense. Ingram has more receiving yards than Gerhart because the screen pass is a fairly frequent play called in Bama's offense. Gerhart is a feature back who is expected to handle more carries and thus more yards per game because Alabama rotates their smaller, quicker backs frequently. Ingram doesn't have the size and power of Gerhart, so he is less effective in short-field red-zone situations. That explains why Gerhart will have more TDs: he's used more in the red zone because he is highly effective in that situation.

Both backs were used effectively to their strengths and the statistics are different as a result. Ingram gets more yards per carry, but fewer carries. He is meant to probe the defense and make occasional big gains. Gerhart is meant to bruise defenses and wear them down by carrying 25-30 times a game at 4 or 5 yards a pop.

Anyone who thinks that either of these players are not deserving of this reward loses all credibility and shows total ignorance of the game of football.

Posted by: ManAtForty | Dec 11, 2009 8:02:43 PM

thats his opinion and it will happen. Alabama's D line is just not good enough to put the kind of pressure on McCoy to stop him. He does after have the most wins, highest completion percentage and most passing yards of any qb ever. He will play a good game against the Tide and you will see. He will expose that Alabama D for what its worth.

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 8:02:44 PM

whether you like it or you dont....SUH is the best player in college football even if he doesnt win the H-man

Posted by: wannaknow | Dec 11, 2009 8:13:17 PM

1.Suh
2. Gerhart
3. McCoy
4. Ingram

this is the way it should play out.

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 8:15:05 PM

I don't get why how good your team is should have any impact on the Heisman vote. One player doesn't win games, teams win games.

I think every body would agree Adrian Peterson is the best RB in the NFL currently. How many super bowls has he been in? Remember when the best QB Peyton Manning led that awesome super bowl winning drive last February? Oh wait...
Or how about Nmadi Asamougha & Darelle Revis just shutting people down in the playoffs.

Posted by: AS | Dec 11, 2009 8:16:56 PM

ManAtForty,

As much as I have tried to refrain from being drawn into these ridiculous conversations I must comment on your post!

To start your post by saying "Ok kids. . ." and then a few sentences later utilize the word "sucks" when describing the ability of a collegiate football player, I'm sure many will agree with me that YOU are the childish one!

All of you, opinions are expected, but your down right trash talking is truly a sign of stupidity!

Posted by: Kathie Gonzales | Dec 11, 2009 8:19:18 PM

Other D-lineman who have not won the Heisman. Rich Glover, Nebraska - 92 tackles in '71, finished 3rd. Lee Roy Selmon, Okla. 88 tackles in '75, 40 TFL in career. Lawerence Taylor, No.Car.- 16 sacks in '80. Hugh Green, Pitt-53 sacks in career, 90+ tackles each season he played. Bruce Smith, Va. Tech- 22 sacks in '83, 71 TFL in career. Reggie White, Tennessee- 15 sacks in '83. Then there's Mean Joe Green, Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer and others pre-70's when sacks weren't recorded as an official stat. Just trying to keep Suh in perspective. He's good, but not that good.

Posted by: mark | Dec 11, 2009 8:26:38 PM

Ingram will win the heisman and Bama will beat Texas in the NC for a great Bama season.

Suh should win, but Ingram will because everyone thinks the Heisman is a offensive player award. Anyone who says the SEC offensive player of the team doesn't deserve the heisman is delusional.

Texas will lose because the team only scored 14 and 13 points against the two teams (OK and NE) they played with good defense. From what I have seen all season, Bama's defense is as good or better than both those teams. I just don't see Texas winning at this point in time, but one month is a long time to prep for a team or key player to do something stupid resulting in suspension.

Posted by: www.awesome.com | Dec 11, 2009 8:31:54 PM

Speaking of idiots, Crimsonite, go back and check the "blowout" of Florida International. The score was 20-14 at half time. 26-14 after the third quarter. FIU actually lead 14-13 late in the 2nd quarter. Ingram played all the way through the 3rd quarter. In the North Texas blowout, Ingram actually scored in the 3rd quarter to put Bama up 37-0. Against Arkansas, he had a sprained ankle? Well, he carried the ball 17 times and played the entire game. In fact, he scored a td in the 4th quarter. He carried 17 times for 51 yds--- a 2.9 ypc average. That's a lot of carries for someone nursing a sprained ankle. So, what game was it he got taken out in the 1st quarter because it was a blow out? Maybe you are thinking about the Auburn game where he played the entire game and had 30 yards on 16 carries for a 1.9 ypc average. Ingram is a good back. (not sure he's even the best back on the team. Richardson is pretty good) but he is not a Heisman back. If you are going to call someone a stupid SOB, how 'bout you get on the computer and do some research yourself. People who look through thier teams colored glasses lie. Stats do not lie.

Posted by: steve | Dec 11, 2009 8:41:23 PM

tex scored low against good defenses in your typical RIVALRY game. Ou vs Tex is rivalry and Tex vs Neb is still a rivalry.

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 8:44:08 PM

Kari, When are you going to make the prediction that you promised you would make?
It seems that Ingram is the leader in most polls. You said that you would post a prediction this morning. So what is the hold up here? Please let us know one way or the other what you plan to do.

Posted by: Michael | Dec 11, 2009 8:51:08 PM

Kathie:

I spent several minutes trying to figure out if your post was supposed to be sarcastic, but I don't know if it's sarcasm or if you completely fail at reading comprehension. Given what I've seen so far on these boards, I'm going to go with a failure of reading comprehension. He was mock-quoting other people. He didn't say that anyone sucks. He then went on to give a wonderful description of two very talented backs, both of whom are tremendous assets to their teams in different ways.

I think ManAtForty is completely correct. It's difficult to compare Gerhart and Ingram because they play very different roles on very different teams. They're both great players. Personally, I'm rooting for Gerhart, but that's only because I'm a Stanford alum. If Ingram wins then good for him. I'm already thrilled that Stanford's back in a bowl game only a few years after going 1-11. It's an award. It shouldn't really matter to any of you who wins it. The only people who should really care are the young men who were nominated.

Oh, and those of you who keep yelling for Kari to make a final projection... well, he's done it. He's been adjusting his projection as the ballots have come in. Right now Ingram is in the lead, with Gerhart and Suh basically tied for second. He doesn't have some magic ball that will give him more information. He might get a few more ballots, but then he'll just update with slightly adjusted numbers. It's ridiculous to demand that he make a projection tonight or you'll never come back. It's not like you're paying him to do this. The votes have already been cast, there's already a winner. He doesn't know, neither do you, and you'll all find out tomorrow.

Posted by: Robin | Dec 11, 2009 8:51:24 PM

Nebraska sucks. They have one good player. To say Nebraska's defense is better than Bama's is a complete joke. All they have is Suh. Alabama has Terrance Cody, Mclain, Arenas, Barron, the list goes on and on. As far as the trophy, Ingram is going to win it and there are going to be a lot of crybaby Husker fans coming out of the woodwork. Their season is pretty much over so they only thing they have to hope for is the Hypesman. Alabama collects NC trophies but this year, it's also going to take the Heisman. Sorry huskers. Learn how to beat Iowa State and then maybe someone will give you some credit.

Posted by: Rick | Dec 11, 2009 8:57:09 PM

this is a prediction site and we are still waiting on a prediction

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 8:57:19 PM

Saw this on another message board and it kind of puts it in perspective.

"The following season stats for defensive lines, submitted for your examination.

Line #1
98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #2
112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk

Line #3
116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk

Line #4
82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #1 = Alabama.

Line #2 = Florida.

Line #3 = Texas.

Line #4 = Ndamukong Suh. By himself.
"

Posted by: eskimo joe | Dec 11, 2009 8:59:39 PM

Ingram wins because Vegas says so.

Posted by: Elmo | Dec 11, 2009 9:13:38 PM

I'm not going to lie, Ingram is a great back. But lots of great backs do not deserve the Heisman, and Ingram is one of them.

I am a Nebraska fan, and I have been on the Suh for Heisman bandwagon since before the lugnuts were screwed in. So obviously, I'm in favor of him. Biases aside, he does deserve it.

That said, I could be totally satisfied if Gerhart wins. He is by far the most deserving and outstanding OFFENSIVE player in the running. No one meant as much to their team. No one put up the stats or had the "oh, my God" highlights like that big nerd from Stanford.

Posted by: Viking | Dec 11, 2009 9:30:11 PM

rick,
another homer naming names when he doesnt know shiz. Nebraska's defense is better then Alabama. nuff said. end of topic. NEXT

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 9:33:38 PM

This site is waiting 'til Saturday to pick Saturday's winner. What a joke!

Posted by: Sammie Walker | Dec 11, 2009 9:36:54 PM

rick,
another thing. The H-man is an individual trophy not a team one. Who cares what you said. There is team trophy and it is the Sears trophy which ur team has yet to win so shut up until they do. This is H-man chat.

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 9:37:17 PM

Take Suh off of Nebraska's team and they have a few more losses plus Texas would have destroyed them. Nebraska's D is not even close to being as good as Bama's. That said, Suh is probably the best player in the country but I'm glad wins mean something to Heisman voters. Ingram should win it.

Posted by: Rick | Dec 11, 2009 9:49:17 PM

wins dont = the best player in the country. sorry bud. Wins only equal one of the best teams. Last time I checked there were multiple teams who are undefeated.
SUH! is the winner

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 9:52:21 PM

what the other sites say is that they are not too chicken shit to make a projection !!!What a joke of a site. Hell I could make the projection for the next 20 years with 100% accuracy if i waited till after the award to make my projection. The votes are tallied fowlks and the award goes to this site for being the lamest most useless occupancy of space on the web !!!!

Posted by: ben | Dec 11, 2009 9:52:44 PM

For all the people that say that Rolando McClain doesn't have the stats of the other linebackers, think about this: McClain doesn't have the high number of tackles because the Bama defense has quite a few 3 and outs and forces short drives. If you have a strong D like that, then there aren't as many opportunities to make all of those tackles.

Also, Bama's offense eats a lot of clock when Rolando and the rest of the D force the opposition to punt the ball back or force a turnover. Plus when the other 6 in the front seven on your team are as good as they are, a lot of players don't get to the second level. Another point: When most teams are playing "catch up" they tend to not run the ball as much and are forced to pass the ball quite a bit, and you don't get tackles on incomplete passes.

Not only this, but he may be the smartest player on the defensive side of the ball in the nation. He makes all the front 7 adjustments and even tells some of the DBs where to line up.

Just my 2 cents worth, no need to flame me.

Ingram 4 Heisman! RTR

Posted by: Anthony | Dec 11, 2009 9:58:57 PM

Robin,

I so stand coreected and thank you for correcting me!

ManAtForty does seem to have a very good comprehension of the game. Yet he fails to mention anything about the other candidates in the running, which I will reiterate, the Heisman is an award for the most OUTSTANDING PLAYER not just running backs.

So that it is clear, the rationale to my response to his post is that he sounds just as ignorant as all the rest with his immature comments to everyone. Unfortunatley I made a snap decision to reply to his post because I am tired of all the bashing that has been going down and I failed to see where his sarcasm ended and the legitimacy of his post began!

If you look at any of my previous posts over the last few days I have not made any negative, derogatory or inflammatory remarks about or to anyone, only support for the individual I feel is worthy of the Heisman.

Posted by: Kathie Gonzales | Dec 11, 2009 9:59:18 PM

I HERD IF U TIPE IN ALL CAPS INGRAM WILL WIN TEH HISEMIN TROPHY.

JUST TEH FACTS.

Posted by: SacramentoHusker | Dec 11, 2009 10:06:00 PM

Ingram will win it. kthnxbai

Posted by: Rick | Dec 11, 2009 10:12:23 PM

You know, all this hate'n seems like deja`vu... all this bickering "you think that you are better than us...you think that you are so very good, and we are so very bad"...

Oh yeah!

Rocky IV

Now everybody kiss, make up, and just remember the immortal words, "Yo Adrian, if I can change, and you's can change, everybody can change!!!"

Posted by: Chaos | Dec 11, 2009 10:15:18 PM

bamabeater,

You are a complete jackass. How do you talk so much smack about a Nebraska team that can't even win 10 ballgames. If you go back and read your posts, you will see that. I guess the coaches in the SEC don't know near as much as you since they voted McClain the SEC Defensive Player of the year. Talk about wow. You just like to come on this website and talk about things and you call others a homer. Give me a freaking break. Suh is great. No doubt about it. But you like to twist everything your own way and act like you are the only one who is right. Look at how much you have posted on here. You go ahead and make all your insignificant predictions, but let's see how much you are on here running your BIG mouth when half of what you say turns out to be wrong!!!

Posted by: collegefbfan | Dec 11, 2009 10:29:33 PM

any updates yet tonite?

Posted by: VICTORIOUS | Dec 11, 2009 10:32:40 PM

82 tackles, 23 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 26 quarterback hurries, 10 pass break ups, 3 blocked field goals and an interception. These are Suh's stats. These stats are either in the ballpark or in some cases better than the other top team's whole defensive line's statistics in the country (Florida, Bama, Texas.) I am trying to find a link to the complete stats but am unable to right now. I heard it on the radio tonight. You also have to look at what happened in the games. Yes, NE lost 4 games, but were these other players in the running double and sometimes triple teamed constantly??? No. For Suh to put up these numbers, while getting this much attention from opposing players is amazing. After seeing some of these other posts, its not suprising to believe why Nebraska has the best and most informed fans in the country. As far as some of you saying that McClain is more deserving than Suh, are you absolutely kidding me? Every person who knows anything about sports is saying Suh is the best and smartest Defensive player to come around in a long time and the only one with a legitimate chance at winning, to think otherwise is absurd.

Posted by: DB | Dec 11, 2009 10:34:19 PM

One question. What Defensive categories does Nebraska lead Bama in? Not rushing defense, passing defense, scoring defense, total defense, turnover margin, tackles for loss, 3rd down conversion defense %, 4th down conversion %, red zone defense, 1st down defense. Oh, my bad!! Nebraska had more sacks. So I guess you are right. Their defense is better. You have got to be kidding me!!! You can verify every bit of that on the NCAA website. Stats don't lie!

Posted by: collegefbfan | Dec 11, 2009 10:59:28 PM

Texas will beat Alabama. Pay Pal bets anyone?

Posted by: Kent | Dec 11, 2009 10:59:28 PM

Bamabeater talk all you want about Nebraska being great what bowl are you guys in?

Posted by: Ten Hoor | Dec 11, 2009 11:10:05 PM

Glen Dorsey at LSU and Ndamukong Suh at Nebraska. Bo Pelini can coach DT's like none other. 2 Outland trophies in 3 years as a coach. Three straight years at LSU as the #3 ranked total Defense in college football. Only season as Oklahoma Co-Def coordinator they were ranked #13 in total defense. First stint as Nebraska Def coordinator, the Blackshirts were ranked #11 total defense. SUH for Heisman.

Posted by: mike t | Dec 11, 2009 11:14:26 PM

collegefbfan,
you are correct in that bama does lead nebraska in basically every defensive stat but the two are so close in almost every stat that its like the heisman... a statistical dead heat. Both defenses are dominating. I would not say one is better than the other. One thing you must remember in all of this is that an offense helps out a defense in many ways and nebraskas pathetic offense put their defense in many bad situations which inflates many of their defensive stats. The nebraska defense was also on the field 150 more snaps than bamas... not because they were ineffective but because their own offense put them on the field way too much. Anyway both defenses are outstanding. Its pretty tough to say one is better than the other.

Posted by: eskimo joe | Dec 11, 2009 11:30:10 PM

and Frank Solich from Nebraska hired Pelini from the NFL....not the other way around as some SEC idiots think about Pelini getting hired away from LSU

Posted by: obvious | Dec 11, 2009 11:38:47 PM

Why does everyone keep using the fact that Alabama forced more three and outs? It may be true that Nebraska allowed more first downs, but that doesn't mean they didn't get three and outs. Even as a Husker fan, I can see that Nebraska's offense, well, sucks. When your defense has to constantly deal with YOUR offense constantly getting three and outs your going to have more yards gained, points, and first downs scored against your defense. Basically, the fact that Nebraska is as close to Alabama shows its better

Posted by: melvin93duh | Dec 11, 2009 11:50:13 PM

boy just a bunch of crybabies in the comments section.

suh sucks

ingram sucks

gerhard had too many carries

suh sucks

ingram sucks

waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: strong | Dec 11, 2009 11:58:03 PM

Thanks Kari for doing this. It helped to fill in the waiting time before Sat night. I do enjoy your analysis. Although I hope either Gerhart or Suh to win, I do hope you can get this year right.

Posted by: Aimee | Dec 11, 2009 11:59:14 PM

yes Melvin,
this is true

Posted by: obvious | Dec 12, 2009 12:00:04 AM

SUHHHHHHHH

Posted by: mike t | Dec 12, 2009 12:08:16 AM

still waiting for a projected WINNER... come on, come on, come on... your stall tactics are becoming EPIC !!!

Posted by: mike t | Dec 12, 2009 12:11:49 AM

hey Gerg heard of gerhart. Ya SC D. He dominanted. Mark Ingram is a great player and isn't caring about this. Gerhart is an all around player. He was a one man show and sometimes, like in the Norte Dame game wasn't gettin ran enough. Here is my choice.
1-Gerhart
2-Ingram
3-Suh
4-Tebow
5-Tebow

Posted by: Tebow | Dec 12, 2009 12:15:02 AM

Out of these five players (Ingram, Gerhart, Suh, McCoy, Tebow)
I personal think one will be a bust McCoy just didnt play well vs good D
Ingram will get hurt like Bush but not bounce back
Gergart will be a Monster in the Middle
Suh will go down as a great
and Tebow....
Well hope he does well, BEst Leader i've ever seen.

Posted by: Tebow | Dec 12, 2009 12:19:55 AM

one of the people on this list will win. Gerhart wont the award of the best runningback so that puts Ingram out so we know it is between Suh and Gerhart

Posted by: obvious | Dec 12, 2009 12:32:00 AM

All we do is win championships.What a joke!! Bama hasn't been relevant since 1992. Before 1992 they won several championships WHEN Gilligan's Island, The Munster's, Star Trek and Bewitched were actual programs NOT on TVLand. Forrest Gump was the only thing that gave Bama any relevance during the mid 90's. RUN FORREST RUN !!!!

Posted by: mike t | Dec 12, 2009 12:44:08 AM

Oh, and if your going to continue to argue that Nebraska has more sack because its in a pass happy conference, remember that there are non conference games as well. In the end, Alabama only had 4 less pass attempts per game. That doesn't seem that much of a difference to me.

Posted by: melvin93duh | Dec 12, 2009 1:06:01 AM

Congratulations on the award Mark ... only one more task left to go this season . Then you and the team can take a well earned rest. (till spring practice ;-) )

Posted by: Rolling Rolling Rolling | Dec 12, 2009 1:45:38 AM

Kari, it's 2am where you are. Ya'll haven't posted new numbers in 13 hours. If you don't want to make a projection that's fine. But damn, no numbers in 13 hours? Why don't you just shit can the whole operation? Hell it's only 15 hours until the award ceremony now! Geez!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 12, 2009 2:05:03 AM

For you to bash Suh because you're precious player didn't win as many awards as he has/will, is ridiculous- I'd like to see the shit talkers line up against him. Stop taking things away from good players. To call him stupid? Yeah, you have to be very stupid to get a mechanical engineering degree. Suh never once expected to be up for the Heisman, so to say "that's all he thinks about" is yet again, ignorance. You Alabama fans seem to think because your team is FINALLY playing for something that gives you the right to berate other players. Stop being crying little babies, bashing good football and become educated on a player before you say he "sucks." If Nebraska's offense matched the D, we'd be playing you for the National Title and then you would see who is better. I have no issues admitting that our offense is laughable, but Suh is a wonderful player and never takes credit for anything he does. Bottom line is this: If the offense was as good as the defense, we would be undefeated and Suh would win the Heisman without question. I don't expect him to win (though I want him to, as any fan would) but disrespecting this guy is abrasive and ludacris.

Posted by: Weloveattention | Dec 12, 2009 5:11:27 AM

Seriously guys! Stop bashing Suh. What idiot says he doesn't know how to play football and he can't read?? Seriously? Stop hating. First of all, he is very well-spoken and intelligent. He is a very good representative of the University of Nebraska. As far as not knowing how to play? Yeah, youre right. Everybody but you has it wrong. The NFL scouts have been totally fooled and will be drafting a worthless body with the first pick.....GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! Loss 1 to VTech - Hail Mary - Suh was not playing DBack as I remember. Loss 2 to TTech - Suh played solid (there are 21 other players). Loss 3 to Iowa State - UGH!!! Offense turned it over 8 times (4 times inside the 5). If they hold on to one of those, they win the game -Fluke. Loss 4 - Texas - You all saw him treat the "Great" McCoy like his red-headed stepchild.

So grow up! The top 3: Gerhart, Ingram, and Suh all deserve it!

Posted by: Chad | Dec 12, 2009 5:30:25 AM

Robin:

Thank you for comprehending what I was saying.

Kathie Gonzales:

Thank you for eventually comprehending. ;-)

I'm not sure that I didn't go overboard a bit with my comments, but I tire of the ignorant vitriol that spews so freely in these comment sections. I seriously wonder sometimes if there are many people over 15 years of age posting comments. There's just not much maturity being shown in these comments.

The reason that I didn't mention Suh is because I really haven't seen many posters stating that he isn't deserving. I believe that perhaps most people believe that he is not only deserving of the candidacy, but of the trophy as well. However, given the past dismal record of defensive Heisman candidates, I don't think that anyone has much faith in his chances of actually winning.

I don't think that either QB is really a factor in the race, except that McCoy might have, even considering his being dominated in the Big12 CG, taken away enough votes from Suh to have torpedoed his chances of winning.

The most vitriol seems to be directed at Ingram and Gerhart, so those two were the focus of my post. They also seem to be the most likely to become the recipient of the trophy, hence the virulence of the comments regarding them.

Posted by: ManAtForty | Dec 12, 2009 11:14:42 AM

Looks like Ingram wins it. Alabama, as a team, is amazing. But i don't believe that Ingram is better than Suh or Gerhart. They are the best players on the field every time they play. It seems like the people voting for McCoy and Ingram are not voting for Suh or Gerhart in their top 3 at all. Even if you don't believe Suh is #1 how can you argue he is not in the top 3? This all seems very regional and very political- just like every other poll in college football...

Posted by: Objectiveopinion | Dec 12, 2009 2:00:50 PM


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