What do other projections and polls say?

This time of year, there's a lot of other projections and polls out there. Seven years in a row we've picked the winner correctly - and there's no other projection that can make the same claim. Nonetheless, it's always good to check in on what the others are saying.

The Scripps-Howard News Service is a weekly poll of 10 actual voters - and has correctly projected the winner 18 of the last 22 years (and 6 of the last 7; missing out in 2008.) This year, they've got a near tie at the top with Ingram leading Suh by a single point (their closest margin ever), followed by Gerhart (who got the most first-place votes), then McCoy - and then a fifth-place tie between Tebow and Spiller.

The Heisman Pundit poll of thirteen actual voters, pegged the final order of finish this way: Ingram, Gerhart, (tie) McCoy & Suh, Moore. Of course, we know that Tebow did better than Moore, so that's not quite right.

The ESPN Heisman Watch experts poll features 15 participants (of which most, and perhaps all, are actual voters.) In their final poll of 2009, they've got a dead-heat tie between Gerhart and Ingram, followed closely by Suh. Colt McCoy is a solid fourth, followed by CJ Spiller and Tim Tebow. Since Spiller's not a finalist, we know that's also off.

The CBS Sports Heisman Watch experts poll - which features five participants (but only one actual voter, as far as we know) - pegs the order of finish this way: Gerhart, Ingram, Moore, McCoy, Suh. Since Moore's not a finalist, we know that he won't get third place -- and Tebow's at least somewhere in the top five.

At NBC Sports, they've got an Experts Poll that includes a mix of 22 experts that includes a smattering of actual voters and quite a few that we know aren't. Their order of finish: Ingram, Gerhart, Suh, McCoy, Spiller. This one missed the Suh/McCoy tie that USAT and HP have by just a single point. Meanwhile, they've got Tebow in a three-way tie for 6th with Golden Tate and Dan LeFevour.

Over at USA Today, they've got seven official voters. And while they don't bill their combined votes as a poll, we thought we'd total up the winner there. The USA Today combined order of finish is: Ingram, Gerhart, (tie) McCoy & Suh, Moore... exactly the same as the HeismanPundit.com poll.

At Sports Illustrated, they've got ten official voters. It's not intended to be a predictive poll, but here's how SI's ten votes combine: Suh, Ingram, Gerhart - followed by a smattering of votes for McCoy, McClain, Spiller and Tebow.

Over at ESPN, Ryan McCrystal has put together a Heisman Predictor that does a prediction based on stats and claims to have been right the last six years (though I don't remember seeing it before.) It's tough this year, I suspect, because the system doesn't likely consider defensive stats. Nonetheless, the final ESPN Heisman Predictor predicts a close finish with McCoy just ahead of Ingram, followed by Gerhart. (In an online chat today, McCrystal discusses it.)

Finally, the Heisman Pundit himself, Chris Huston, told the New York Times that his personal expert prediction has the order of finish as: McCoy, Ingram, Gerhart, Tebow, Spiller. And again, we know he's off by a little bit - as Spiller didn't make the finalist cut, while Suh did.

The proof, as always, will be in the pudding on Saturday night.

Update: Over at Jacksonville.com, Mike DiRocco compiled most of these polls into a single compilation (including one of our recent projections) and came up with this order of finish: Ingram, Gerhart, Suh, McCoy, Spiller.

Kari Chisholm | December 11, 2009 | Comment on This Post (181 so far) Permalink: What do other projections and polls say?

Comments

And what does Stiff Arm Trophy say? I guess we'll find out Saturday night.

Posted by: Brett | Dec 11, 2009 3:08:33 PM

Yeah so what does the real site say we dont care about the other we like your prediction...

Posted by: bamaforever | Dec 11, 2009 3:11:20 PM

So here's what I gather from this...essentially no one, expert or not, has a good idea of who is going to win this thing among the top three.

Posted by: Nate | Dec 11, 2009 3:11:33 PM

So, are you going to at least make your prediction on who wins sometime today?

Posted by: Tre | Dec 11, 2009 3:12:53 PM

You are a moron. He makes his prediction based on his model, which is what we've been looking at this whole time. Or, did you think that he would develop this model and then predict the 3rd place guy to finish first?

Posted by: urmoron | Dec 11, 2009 3:23:08 PM

This Kris guy is lovin all the attention he is getting. He doesn't want to spoil it for years to come so he isn't going to predict the winner until tomorrow right after they present it to Ingram. I am not coming back to this site again!!

Posted by: Todd nicholas | Dec 11, 2009 3:34:42 PM

No he said he would give us his official prediction this morning and didn't. Then he said his system has a margin of error of 4% so he would wait for more votes to see if the picture became clearer. He has not yet given his official prediction. Unfortunately the water keeps getting more and murkier as the votes come in. Tuff call for his to keep his record going. I still say smart money is on Ingram though I think the boy named Suh should win.

Brad

Posted by: Brad | Dec 11, 2009 3:38:24 PM

Not to worry Todd, I'm going to post my final numbers tonight. It's possible that it's going to be "too close to call". We'll see. Even if the numbers stay exactly the same, more votes means the uncertainty drops.

Posted by: Kari Chisholm | Dec 11, 2009 3:41:43 PM

I called it a couple of hours ago - it's SUH for SUHRE! You watch! :)

Posted by: Kathie Gonzales | Dec 11, 2009 3:46:27 PM

one thing is for sure....SUH had the most dominate performance by any defensive guy all year and Ingrams numbers are not H-man worthy so just predict the winner!
SUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 3:48:40 PM

I would choose "too close to call" on this one. No telling how the other 600 plus ballots went with the percentage spread so close on the 295 you know for sure. What an exciting race. For me, they all deserve it, but I am partial to SUH.

Posted by: tkk | Dec 11, 2009 3:48:56 PM

The proof's NOT in the pudding. The proof OF the pudding is IN the eating!

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2009 3:55:37 PM

Ok, unless stiffarm predicts the winner tonight, then this site is a sham and this site's url address will never again be found within the walls of my recent browsing history!!! Be what you have claimed to be and make a prediction or get out of the business! It's like this: if you make a prediction and you're wrong, we MAY come back next year. But we DEFINITELY WILL NOT come back if you DO NOT make a prediction at all! Posters give me some feed back. Am I right or am I right???

Posted by: Kyle | Dec 11, 2009 3:56:09 PM

No Kyle, you're not right. Also, consider therapy.

Posted by: Brian | Dec 11, 2009 4:01:10 PM

Well my read is that StiffArmTrophy doesn't actually profess to make a 'prediction' but rather a 'projection.' It's similar to election night. When a pundit on CNN early in the day 'predicts' a winner they are using their knowledge of the voters, the candidates, etc. to essentially guess the winner. But when Wolf Blitzer runs the graphic and catchy tune and says 'we are _projecting_ a winner" he isn't guessing. He's looking at exit polling data that is asking voter's who they ACTUALLY voted for and based on a statistical analysis of those voters and other factors he can 'project' with greater certainty that someone that 'predicts.'

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2009 4:02:58 PM

...'project' with greater certainty THAN someone that 'predicts.' (sorry for the typo)

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2009 4:04:14 PM

Your update indicates Thursday (10 Dec). Don't you mean Friday (11 Dec)?

Last updated: 12/10/2009, 2:37 p.m. Pacific. 295 ballots, 817 votes

Posted by: Jimmy Carl Harris | Dec 11, 2009 4:17:23 PM

It is close so predicting a winner is tough....but can be done....it is a PREDICTION after all. I think Stiffarmtrophy needs to predict a winner, but I will not fault him for an incorrect pick. I know who I would predict wins it (although it is against who I think SHOULD win it). I like that it is close and the top three have kind of come out of nowhere (since the start of the year)and Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, etc. are not going to win it...in my prediction!

Posted by: JP | Dec 11, 2009 4:17:45 PM

If it indeed is "too close to call", you don't get credit for 8 years in a row even if you have Ingram leading. You have to actually make the call for Ingram.

Posted by: Robert | Dec 11, 2009 4:19:22 PM

Suh is not even the best defensive player in the country Rolando McLain is. If he is such a superman why did the cornshuckers lose 4 games. Mark Ingram is the best RB on the best team in the country and will win the trophy........ROLL TIDE ROLL!

Posted by: johnnyearle | Dec 11, 2009 4:21:00 PM

SUH really doesnt know how to play football..and i also heard he cant even read..sad i know...but he should definately win the Hypesman

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 4:22:24 PM

I like what this guy is doing, he is projecting the winner. If he feels he doesn't have enough information, then he waits. Election night runs the same way.............. do you guys remember the last time they gave "projections" based on inconclusive data.... FLORIDA 2000! First gore, then bush, then the supreme court.

Take your time dude, if you don't feel confident then just say "too close to call." This is obviously a really messed up Heisman year....(Ingram, Gerhardt, and SUUUUHHH. with one of them being a defensive tackle!) I dont blame ya if you dont make a choice

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 11, 2009 4:26:53 PM

So far it has been fun to keep up with this....now it is getting too close and nerves are showing....This is my first year to follow your site, but willnot be my last. I hope Ingram gets the Heisman...very worthy imo.

Posted by: she loves football | Dec 11, 2009 4:29:36 PM

johnny yerle,
youre an idiot. McClain was not even at the top for linebackers. Dont worry that alabama D will get exposed

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 4:36:34 PM

Dang this is a hilarious board. All of these guys are good players. To sit here and knock any of them is a disgrace to anyones football knowledge. A case can be made for each of these players. Because some of them play different positions it is hard to compare them. Ingram and Gerhart are two very good backs. Talent wise I would say Gerhart is a better but Ingram is no slouch and played on an undefeated team. Both of these backs produced very good numbers and were very productive for their teams. Both made big play after big play throughout the year that were highlighted on espn and shows alike. Suh on the other hand plays in the trenches where highlights are not shown on espn unless its a sack or a huge hit. Suh is as dominant a defensive player as I have seen in a long time. To cite his stats "joe friday" has very little to do with showing what type of player he is and shows very little true knowledge of the game of football. Suh recorded those stats against double and triple teams and backs chipping him at the same time all year. That is what makes him the dominant player he is. No team in the country would risk blocking Suh 1 on 1 but on a few plays per game. I guarantee if you asked any college coach in the nation they would say no way would we risk blocking him with 1 man. His dominance is not seen in stats, or in highlight clips on espn but is clearly evident when you breakdown game film and actually watch what is going on in the trenches. Suh is as dominant a force as college football has produced in quite some time. Which brings me to the point...is the heisman a highlight clip award or the most dominant player in football award...I think we all know the answer to that. It should go to the most dominant player...but its become a publicity affair and highlight real award. Its a shame but it is what it is. Like I said before I take nothing away from any of these players though. They are all great players.

Posted by: eskimo joe | Dec 11, 2009 4:39:50 PM

If Toby doesnt' win (and Im still not giving up hope) I'd rather see Suh than Ingram, even if some of his supporters here have been completely obnoxious

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2009 4:40:29 PM

Nebraska lost 4 games because they have the 102 ranked offense in the country. They were number 2 in the nation in scoring defense only giving up 3 more total points than Alabama. The defense was under constant pressure because the offense was always 3 and out against a good team.

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 4:42:18 PM

The big man adds trophy number 5 to his mantle tomorrow night. If Ingram were to win it, it would be a farce. Check his numbers in each game this year as he has had some poor games. BIG SUH never took a game off or had a bad game, and because of that, he is your 2009 Heisman winner.

Posted by: Kent | Dec 11, 2009 4:43:50 PM

If Ingram wins the Heisman, it will be a complete joke. Since 1970, 218 running backs have averaged over 130 yards per game. Ingram doesn't even average 120. Also, go back and look at the running backs that have won the Heisman or finished as the runner up since 1970. Guess where Ingram ranks in yards per game??? DEAD LAST! He also had 5 games in which he rushed for less than 100 yards and only one game where he rushed for over 200 yards. Not to mention that he only rushed for 30 yards against his biggest rival. The media makes it sound like he got hurt against Auburn and that's why he only had 30 yards. BS. he got hurt in the LAST drive of the game. Gerhart has more yards rushing. More TD's. He also only rushed for less than 100 yards twice (82 and 96) compaired to Ingram's low of 30. He also ran for over 200 yards three times. Gerhart had huge games against California, USC, Washington, Notre Dame, and Oregon. Want to argue that Pac 10 defenses aren't ver good? Well, they are at least as good as Florida International, North Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee and Auburn. all of which held Ingram under 100. If Ingram wins, it will be the biggest joke of all time.

Posted by: Steve | Dec 11, 2009 4:44:11 PM

I wholeheartedly agree Steve. If SUH doenst win it then it should go to Gerhart. Ingram sucks.

Posted by: Kent | Dec 11, 2009 4:46:13 PM

Bad news guys: The Heisman is a joke, farce, etc, because Ingram has it in the bag. I hope the Suh fanatics are going to be able to deal with this.

Posted by: Brian | Dec 11, 2009 4:47:52 PM

Sorry, but McClain is better then Suh. and as far as Toby vs. Ingram goes... If Saban was wanting the Stiffarm, Ingram would have it hands down. If Ingram had all those attempts that Toby had, he would have est. 1928 yards for the year. I would rather have a RB with more yards per carry that is also a leader. Toby is a leader? A leader for a 8-4 team. Ingram in a disadvantage because he is splitting carries with another one of the best RB's in the nation? I think so, but I think the Bama nation would rather worry about getting #13 than the stiffarm anyway.

Posted by: UAbutchershop | Dec 11, 2009 4:49:43 PM

I think at the end of the day we should remember that all of these candidates are young men who have committed to making their teams better and to perform at their highest. KENT and STEVE need to learn some manners and start acting like men themselves instead of spoiled brats. None of these players suck and the H______ is no more or less a joke this year than any other.

Posted by: jim | Dec 11, 2009 4:55:52 PM

UA butterball,
McClain is not even close to as good as SUH. Look at other linebackers stats and then compare McClain. You Bama fans are completely ridic! Wow. Its like talking to a 2 year old.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 4:56:54 PM

bamabeater,

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no need to call anyone an idiot. As for being at the top for linebackers...McClain won both the Butkus and Lambert awards for being the nation's top linebacker. Nearly every interview with players from Alabama's defense has included something to the effect that McClain is as close to a coach actually suiting up and playing in the game as you'll get. Suh was amazing this year, no doubt. He had video game numbers at a position that is hard to get those kinds of numbers at. McClain was just as important to his team, if not more, even though he might not have had the biggest numbers. He's not only responsible for his own position, but also being the "quarterback" of the defense and knowing the responsibilities of all the coverages and gap assignments for the other players. I'm not trying to take away from Suh or say one was better than the other, they were both great for different reasons, and greatness is not (only)defined by hard stats.

Posted by: Brandon | Dec 11, 2009 4:56:59 PM

i think its funny MARK INGRAM doesnt care about the Heisman and lil boy SUH and his friend Toby its all they can think about.. see you sad lil people Mark is trying to win National Championships he doesnt have time for this beauty pagent.. enjoy watchin tomorrow night with tons of suspence

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 4:57:09 PM

Jim,
I happen to agree with Steve. Ingram does not deserve this award. He cant even win the fricken award given out to the best runningback let alone the 'Most outstanding player in college football'. I am glad to learn this from Alabama fans....Their starters thru third string are better then any other on the planet according to them. So absurd.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 4:59:44 PM

Agreed, Suh should be a top 2 draft pick, he's very good. But my opinion stands, I would rather have McClain running my D. Suh lines up and bust heads, McClain lines up, along with making sure the rest of the D is in position, then bust heads.

Posted by: UAbutchershop | Dec 11, 2009 5:00:57 PM

thanks MIke. Glad you know exactly what Ingram are thinking. You Alabama people are complete idiots. I thought I seen it all but I guess not.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:06:33 PM

Ingram does deserve it as much as anyone else in the running, to say things like he sucks is just stupid.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:06:41 PM

McClain isnt even the best defensive player in the SEC. Eric Berry!, Brandon Spikes, Eric Norwood. I could keep going on for days of people who are better then McClain. Homer!

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:09:08 PM

Well Kathie that just proves that a girl has no business fooling around with football. Kinda the same as cars! Todd, you dumbass, what do you want, an incorrect prediction? Idiot. Then somebody would get a hell of a disappointment! The other polls aren't predicting, they are only guessing according to their handfull of voters preferences. If you want a damn prediction, you've already got it. Ingram has led this poll nearly the whole way and continues to increase his lead. Since this poll is not going to project someone as winner who is 4 points behind, then you have you winner now! What's more, Ingram is also ahead in the majority of the other polls! What the hell more do you idiots need? RTR

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 5:09:26 PM

Suh in the sec would have different numbers, tougher conference.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:10:21 PM

Man it's hilarious seeing how people get so worked up over stats, team records, conferences....
Better yet when someone voices their opinion on who they think is better and that person is called
an idiot for doing so, that in itself is moronic....hello it's an OPINION!! Each player has standout achievements
so basically this years race is more of a popularity contest 2 c who has the most votes on their
bandwagon.

Posted by: Justin | Dec 11, 2009 5:10:50 PM

Wow and to think Rolando beat all those guys for the butkus award ,lol.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:11:48 PM

Hey, I'm lost, is this where I go to cry about how my preferred candidate is getting robbed and is more deserving?

Posted by: football fan | Dec 11, 2009 5:12:47 PM

bamabeater sounds like you have a lot of jealousy and bitterness towards Bama, haha!

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:14:39 PM

football fan this is it, some of these people are ridiculous.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:15:26 PM

it will be Ingram the other guys play in podunk loser conferences - MARK it down Mark Ingram I bought his replica jersey today because they will sell even faster after tomorrow

Posted by: another | Dec 11, 2009 5:16:16 PM

I do agree the SEC is slightly tougher then the Big 12 THIS YEAR but that would not change Suh's numbers all that much. Just be careful Bama fans, Texas will give you a game and you dont want the embarrassment you had like last year against Utah? I would put alot of money on it that Alabama's D line is not half as disruptive as Nebraska's was.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:20:22 PM

Greg,
He beat Eric Berry of the Butkus award? Berry is a safety. wow

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:21:53 PM

bamabeater that's where you are wrong Bama's defense is a lot tougher than nebraska.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:22:20 PM

He was up for it and got beat, nuff said.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:22:58 PM

bamabeater didn't Nebraska get beat by Iowa Stae? lol

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:24:26 PM

Iowa State*

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:24:41 PM

Greg,
None. Bama is a great team as a whole but Nebraska has a better defense then Bama. Nebraska has a WAY better defensive line as a whole with the best defensive Tackle and most outstanding college football player on it. Texas is going to surprise Alabama even though you Bama fans rule it out. Bama D line and Linebackers are not going to be chasing Colt around like the Huskers did. Colt will have a way better day because Nebraska defense is simply better. As a whole team though Alabama is a better team overall.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:25:24 PM

Obviously you haven't watched Bama's Defense much this year. They are better than Nebraska's D. Nebraska couldn't even make it through the Sec inconference schedule. Colt will get shut down just as Tebow did.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:27:46 PM

No one is taking Texas lightly especially Saban and Bama players.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:29:08 PM

yes they did. And any team that has 8 turnover would lose such game. Our offense is terrible. Already said that. The defense only allowed 13 point even after 8 turnovers. Think about it.....That is why Nebraska's defense is the best in the nation. Its simple, you take snaps on the field and get the average for how many points scored. Who cares about total yards and TOP. That is not what wins the football game. Its points scored is all that matters. Yes Tex tech scored 31 point but 14 of that was fumbles returned for 6 on two occasions when Nebraska was about ready to score.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:29:34 PM

David said "If Toby doesnt' win (and Im still not giving up hope) I'd rather see Suh than Ingram, even if some of his supporters here have been completely obnoxious"

Welcome to the world of the bammers, the most obnoxious fan base in the world. You should try living in the state while going to Auburn. It is hard to stomach many of them....

Posted by: futball | Dec 11, 2009 5:30:35 PM

Defense wins championships....see Alabama Crimson Tide. Where is nebraska?

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:30:59 PM

just like last year they didnt take Utah lightly and go embarrassed! just made a fool by a Utah team everyone said didnt belong. Bama was pouting about how they werent in the National Title then got taken out to the wood shed by Utah. ha ha

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:31:04 PM

futball.... Jealousy and bitterness doesn't become you.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:32:30 PM

Greg, good one. Yes they would even with their terrible offense. Sec folks are such homers it is ridiculous. You think everything about your conference is the best. I went to a Tenn vs S. Carolina football game this year in Knoxville and all I heard was how great the SEC was and all that. Not too impressed myself. Yes it is two BCS teams but not as big as all the SEC folks talk.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:33:26 PM

bamabeater they did take Utah lightly and they won't make that mistake again. Bama is playing for a championship what bowl game is Nebraska in I forgot?

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:34:17 PM

I think the last 3 national championships were won by the Sec, your analysis carries NO weight.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:35:57 PM

Oh but I did have the best BBQ sauce I have ever had there in Knoxville but that has little to do with football

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:36:29 PM

Tenn does have some great BBQ places.

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:37:44 PM

I can assure you that Suh can read... Driving ability is a different matter.

Posted by: Jared | Dec 11, 2009 5:38:33 PM

Bottom line I think all the guys in New York are deserving, they are the best of the best. I congratulate all of them and hope they enjoy every minute of this experience. Good Luck Mark!! Roll Tide!!

Posted by: Greg | Dec 11, 2009 5:40:04 PM

Bamabeater, you're a stupid SOB. McClain won national every LB award and SEC Defensive MVP over all those others you named! Not to mention that Bama beat the shit out of Brandon The Gouger Spikes and put him out of the game more than once! You are a complete retard and there is no longer any such thing as a Bama beater, fool! Kent you're an ignorant SOB too. Any dumb bastard that says Ingram sucks. But the dumbest SOB of all is Steve who has a computer and can't even research information before he makes a dumbass post! Ingram only played the first quarter against Florida Int and North Texas because unlike your dumbass coach, Saban doesn't run up the score against helpless teams, or against Florida for that matter either. As for Arkansas, he was nursing a sprained ankle. Boy what retards you people are! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 5:40:40 PM

yes it has been. 2 were wins against and Ohio St. Team that didnt belong in there just like the ND teams in the first 2 years under Charlie 'pudding pants' Weis. This year is going to be a battle. Mark my words. I am not saying Bama will lose but in fact I think they will win. But Tex (Big 12) Bama (SEC) top 2 conferences. It will be a think of discussion at the end of bowl season who is the strongest conference with win/loss records for each conference in the bowl games.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:42:32 PM

so bamabeater, you WILL bet a lot of money that Bama's D line will not be more productive against Texas than nebraska's was...? Is that just a bark or do you have sone bite. Do you have a paypal account....? Lemme know if you are serious about that wager and well get it setup. thank$

Posted by: heybamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:44:07 PM

crimsonite,
here you go again. oh Saban took Ingram out and didnt run up the score.. blah blah blah... how many tackles did McClain have this year? ints? sacks? Lets compare those to Suh. Why dont we. Florida is an impostor this year and everyone other then SEC folks knew it. Now the real test against Texas. Colt is going to light you up like a Christmas tree. ha ha

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:46:19 PM

Yes Tex tech scored 31 point but 14 of that was fumbles returned for 6 on two occasions when Nebraska was about ready to score.
------------

WOW 31 points was SUE out of the game. 31 POINTS !!!!!!! yea man I'll take your bet 31 points. Did SUE play in that game.. if so he shoulda tackled somebody at least once :-)

Posted by: heybamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:46:48 PM

heybamabeater,
So you are saying Alabama's defensive line will have more then 8 sacks on Tex? I think its a bet. Wow. I will also bet Texas has more then 202 yards of total offense and more then 18 yards rushing which is what they had against the Huskers.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:50:13 PM

Yes, So Tex tech scored 17 points with their offense. do the math idiot

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 5:51:25 PM

BAMABEATER SUCKS PETER

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 5:55:06 PM

My dad can beat up your dad...lol. This board is awesome. It's like listening to Paul Finebaum. I can understand people thinking your candidate is deserving but to say ANY one of the other finalist would be downright moronic. TG has had a great year, but to say he is more talented than Ingram IMO is absurd. Ingram will be a 1st or 2nd round pick, TG 3rd at best. (But could still be a great pro, but I digress).

As far as McClain goes...he makes me wish they had some sort of Defensive H______. I'm sure NU fans wouldn't have a problem with that. He reminds me of D. Ryans but more talented and smarter. He is a Nick Saban on the field and certainly has a future in coaching if it was even something he was interested in. Bama's D is, in my opinion the best we have seen in a long time.

Now, as far as my predictions...Ingram will win, and I think it would be great if Suh finished in the top two. From everything I've seen he's a true force. Believe it or not Cardinal fans, I'm also a Toby fan. I like the "Robocop in an Elway jersey" thing to that Herbie said on Gameday. Basically I'd like to end Bama's drought tomorrow but it it doesn't happen, I'm not going to light up this board. At UA, it's all about championships....there's a reason Rolo wouldn't allow the other players to dump gatorade on Saban after absolutely DISTROYING the number one team in the country. Reason - "We're not finished yet. We still have work to do".

RTR

Posted by: Rational_Bama_Fan | Dec 11, 2009 5:55:38 PM

BAMABEATER EVERYBODY KNOWS THE SEC IS THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY I HATE HATER GROW UP DUDE

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 5:57:23 PM

thanks dude. I just admitted I thought they were the best conference in the country this year. I just simply said people are cocky in the SEC country. So when you went to a big 12 game this year did you think we were cocky? oh wait you didnt go.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:02:43 PM

NEBRASKA SUCK THE OFFENCE IS ONE OF THE WORST I SEEN VANDY WOULD BEAT THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF THEM ALL THEY HAVE IS A OK D WITH ONE GREAT PLAYER

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 6:03:44 PM

good comeback btw dude. I suck peter. wow. educated comeback.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:03:48 PM

roll tide boys lol yall come play in the SEC for a year and then we can talk....until then SUHk me!

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 6:05:28 PM

McClain Stats
7.77 tackles a game. yeah really swell for a LINEBACKER

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:07:44 PM

and that is an average of 91st in the nation

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:08:10 PM

Knocking Ingram's numbers in blowouts is ridiculous. He didn't have 100 yards rushing against North Texas, FLorida International and Arkansas, because those games were BLOWOUTS. They were over by the 2nd quarter. (And, Ingram actually got LESS carries than Gerhart and has a much better yard-per-carry average 6.2 to 5.6.)

Ingram averaged 150 yards a game against ranked opponents and shredded the prevailing college football dynasty and #1 D in the country for 189 yards from scrimmage and 3 TDs. (113 rushing yards) He played his best in big games - against Va Tech, South Carolina, LSU, he played great games and at times carried Alabama.

Who is, by the way, 13-0, champions of the best conference in football, and about to play for the National Championship.

If you think THAT sucks, you need therapy.

Posted by: Saban'sDynasty | Dec 11, 2009 6:08:22 PM

Another thing...seems some of you Nebraska fans (and Stanford fans for that matter) like to talk out of both sides of their mouth. Stats - as far as McClain goes...you don't get a load of tackles if you lead the nation in 3 and outs and time of possession. Why do you think someone for Vandy is always at or near the top of the SEC in tackles? Because they can't get off the field! Stats are what they are (sorry, channeling my "inner-Saban")...if your D shuts teams down, if your special teams are strong you will always have good field position, never have to "run up the score" or even trade scores with teams so scoring TDs or racking up huge amounts of tackles, yds etc. isn't the be all, end all for determining the "most outstanding player"....what did he mean to your team? How important was he to your teams success? Was he truly "outstanding"?....

RTR, looking for number 13

Posted by: Rational_Bama_Fan | Dec 11, 2009 6:09:01 PM

Another thing...seems some of you Nebraska fans (and Stanford fans for that matter) like to talk out of both sides of their mouth. Stats - as far as McClain goes...you don't get a load of tackles if you lead the nation in 3 and outs and time of possession. Why do you think someone for Vandy is always at or near the top of the SEC in tackles? Because they can't get off the field! Stats are what they are (sorry, channeling my "inner-Saban")...if your D shuts teams down, if your special teams are strong you will always have good field position, never have to "run up the score" or even trade scores with teams so scoring TDs or racking up huge amounts of tackles, yds etc. isn't the be all, end all for determining the "most outstanding player"....what did he mean to your team? How important was he to your teams success? Was he truly "outstanding"?....

RTR, looking for number 13

Posted by: Rational_Bama_Fan | Dec 11, 2009 6:09:03 PM

dude,
You have nothing to stand on. Vandy got beat by F ing Army! come on DUDE

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:09:27 PM

im A PAC 10 GUY MYSELF

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 6:15:58 PM

damn all the toby fans gave up and now just annoyin SUUUUHHHHHHHHHH fans remain...lol its probably SSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUHHHHHH himself in his hotel room in NY...ok ok just one more time lol SSSSSUUUUSUCKSHHHHHHHH

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2009 6:16:05 PM

WELL I WANTED TO JOIN IN AND I WANTED TO FIT IN WITH THE CHILDISH GAMES

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 6:17:30 PM

for bama to not have any good players we sure do have a lot of wins unlike all of yalls teams.

Posted by: bamajoker | Dec 11, 2009 6:19:22 PM

Hey imposter Bamabeater, you can't keep from opening your stupid pie hole and removing all doubt that you're a true retarded dumbass! Now the Cornholers have a better defense than the #1 team in the nation with the #1 defense in the nation? Lay off the Crack asshole. Just 1 fairly important statistic for you, dumbass. VT 155 yards against Bama. VT 287 yards against Nebraska. By the way, we beat the shit out of VT and VT beat Nebraska! Bwwaaa Haaww Haaww! How many tackles did McClain have. You dumb bastard, he had 101. A hell of a lot more than Suh. As for sacks you stupid shit, he's an LB. His responsibility is behind the D line except on blitzes. You're so fucking ignorant, I'm not wasting any more time with you. We've held 13 QBs to an average rating of 80% efficiency. That's far and away #1 in the nation. McCoy will be no different. Even Texas will tell you their O line is a weak point and they've given up 30+ sacks. Our D is salivating! In other words, McCoys as is grass! RTR!

Posted by: Crimsonite | Dec 11, 2009 6:19:49 PM

Ingram is a great player. Stats or otherwise. he is a game changer. I had the pleasure of seeing him play multiple times but Suh if you watch him play he is more then a game changer and his stats dont even tell the whole story. Sorry but stats arent everything and that is coming from a Suh fan where the stats are what sets him apart. he does so much more then put stats on the board.
1. Suh
2. Ingram

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:20:56 PM

Bama joker,
listen! Bama is a better team then Neb. Said it multiple times on here. We just happen to have the most outstanding player in college football. Go win Go win the H-man SUH

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:22:28 PM

nice name calling. You did not beat the snot out of v tech. They were leading you guys and a bogus NO CALL V tech should have had changed that whole game. Another thing, Yes Mclain did have 101 and I never disputed that. He is a LINEBACKER AND IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT MANY AND WAY MORE. you Bama fans even said it yourself. Cody takes up blocks so your linebackers can make the tackles. You know nothing about football if you comparing tackles form a D tackle and tackles from a linebacker. You know so much about football you cant even see the difference in the two positions. wow

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:25:41 PM

HE MIGHT BE THE MOST OUTSTANDING BUT NOT THE Heisman TOBY WILL TAKE IT IF MARK DONT

Posted by: dude | Dec 11, 2009 6:26:51 PM

ok crimsonite,
we will see come title time. Bama will not have the stats Nebraska D put up against them and you know it. mark my words. Texas will put up 24 points and over 350 yards.

Posted by: bamabeater | Dec 11, 2009 6:27:23 PM

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