195 ballots: holding steady, too close to call

We're now up to 195 ballots tracked down. Sam Bradford is holding steady, while Colt McCoy is extending his lead ever-so-slightly over Tim Tebow. As we climb past 200 ballots, we'll feel more comfortable with making a call for Sam Bradford, though I'm not sure we'll ever be certain about the #2 and #3 spots.

We'll update momentarily with the regional breakdowns and some other interesting tidbits.

Kari Chisholm | December 11, 2008 | Comment on This Post (59 so far)
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Well, Kari may not be willing to call it, but I am. It is Sam by a comfortable Margin. And why not? With those numbers it is understandable. Even watching him, well quite impressive. This sets up a glorious title game. My man Tebow vs. Bradford. It will be interesting to see if the voters are correct or if they blew it in not voting for Tebow.

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2008 6:34:21 PM

Why is it that though Tim Tebow has more 1st place votes that his total #'s are less by quite a few even though the number of ballots turned in are close to the same turned in? So do you like not even vote so he gets NO # total at all? Totally bull if you ask me but, I don't have a vote so I guess I have to live with it just like having to live with someone paying others with cigarettes to vote for who they're told to vote for in the presidential election!

Posted by: Pete | Dec 11, 2008 7:18:04 PM

Ummmm....its called math. You learn it in grade school. 1st place votes are worth a lot more than 3rd place votes. So while Tebow has the most first place votes (good) he also has the most third place votes (bad). Bradford meanwhile has the second most 1st place votes (pretty good) and has the most 2nd place votes (good) and the least third place votes (also good). So overall Bradford has more points.

Another way to think of it is like this: Bradford is either first or second in most votes. But Tebow is either first or third in most vote.

Posted by: george | Dec 11, 2008 7:39:56 PM

"We'll update momentarily with the regional breakdowns and some other interesting tidbits."
.......well....how about that update?

Posted by: Aaron | Dec 11, 2008 7:56:39 PM

when will the next update take place?

Posted by: steve | Dec 11, 2008 8:49:57 PM

when is the next update?

Posted by: steve | Dec 11, 2008 8:52:26 PM

The reason Tebow is behind in the totals is because MANY people left him completely off their ballots. If you look and see who some people voted for (Myron Rolle, Nate Davis, Brandon Spikes, Rashad Johnson, Javon Ringer, Rey Maualuga, Zac Robinson, Max Hall, and even Shonn Greene) it looks like they were just trying to keep Tebow from getting too many points.

For example, everyone who voted # 1 for Tebow, voted right and voted # 2 for Bradford. But, the Bradford fans who voted him # 1, voted for the guys above (who all had great seasons, of course) to make sure not too many # 2 or 3 votes went to Tebow. Seems like they knew what they were doing. My gut feeling is telling me they did this to make sure Tebow's points didn't overcome Bradford.

We have the best 3 in New York for the presentation... no doubt about that! The numbers are overwhelming to say otherwise. Which tells me, anyone that didn't vote for the 3 finalists had an agenda in mind. Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow - and even Graham Harrell - are the best this year. So, to throw in a couple running backs, a safety, another DB, and a couple of linebackers was to throw away their votes on purpose.

All of the Tebow haters on this site who say he's the media darling, etc... Its because so many people think this and they are really tired of him getting so much press and love from certain media guys. They don't care that he is the best football player (or arguably one of the top 3) - they just don't to hear anymore about Tebow. He probably won't win any of other of the top awards either. Which is fine - he won them ALL last year! But, he will have something to say on January 8th... and he will say it without opening his mouth, but by his play in the BCS.

The great thing is all 3 of these guys will be back next year and we will probably be having this same conversation in 12 months. I actually like all of these guys (Harrell too.)

Pretty cool for 2009!

Posted by: J M | Dec 11, 2008 9:01:03 PM

Actually it isn't an agenda to not vote for Tebow. If you look at the total body of work this season Harrell got screwed and should be going to new york over Tebow. The only real reason that Tebow got so many votes this year is because he won the award last year. Because if you gave Tebow's stats to somebody else they wouldn't even sniff the finals of the heisman presentation. So the statement about people having an agenda is just plain dumb.

Posted by: Brandon Amaya | Dec 11, 2008 9:31:06 PM

JM, i completely agree. i am interested in the final analysis - which of the final 3 were left off the most ballots (which is an absurd possibility considering the final numbers)? who was voted first on the most "throw away vote" ballots?

the only "throw away" vote i respect is rolle, for winning a rhodes (and i say that without looking up who voted for him, what region, and who topped that ballot). that's a neat symbolic vote.

Posted by: blinky | Dec 11, 2008 9:47:42 PM

Brandon Amaya, I couldn't agree more. The only reason Tebow is a finalist is because he won it last year and ESPN crammed him down our throats for the last month. He is a great college football player and deserved the award 100 percent last year. But his numbers are way, way down this year and if his name was not Tim Tebow he would not be in New York. Basically, ESPN crammed Tebow down our throats so much, that he took all of Harrell's votes away. That is the real agenda.

Posted by: Josh | Dec 11, 2008 9:53:20 PM

You guys get off of Tebow's dick. He is deserving just as much as McCoy, Bradford, and Harrell. I do believe that people are voting Bradford and leaving Tebow of off ballots which is messed up but whatever. Tebow is the best player in the nation...hands down!! he's the best leader and he may not put up the same numbers as the big 12 qbs but that guy can play. Archie Griffins numbers were significantly down the yr after he won the heisman and he still managed to repeat. 40tds to 2 ints is not that bad compared to bradford's 46tds and 6 ints. In fact i can make an argument that tebow's numbers are not as good as the big 12 because every game after the ole miss game was a blowout and he was pulled out early. Personally i do not care about the heisman, I just care about making it fair.

Posted by: Adrean | Dec 12, 2008 12:06:54 AM

Adrean,

Your numbers on Bradford are incorrect. Why do you count Tebow's rushing td's and not Bradfords. He actually had 48 passing td's and 5 rushing td's against 6 pics. That would be 53 total td's.

Posted by: Sam | Dec 12, 2008 4:29:57 AM

Adrean,

First of all, you need to quote apples to apples. Tebow threw for 28 TDs and 2 Ints. Bradford threw for 46 TDs and 6 Ints. He ran for 12 TDs, but mixing those in with passing stats is deceptive. Now if you want to compare totals, Bradford also ran for 5 TDs so it was really 51 TDs and 6 Ints for Bradford and 40 TDs vs 2 Ints for Tebow. You talk about Tebow's leadership and how he carried his team, but you probably also like to talk about how talented Florida is at every position. Hmmm... There were several games this year where McCoy and Bradford carried their teams and showed huge leadership as well. How about playing an entire game against a top 15 opponent after tearing ligaments in your thumb?

Tebow is an excellent player, but to say that he's "the best player in the nation....hands down" tells me that you are biased and have not watched many teams outside the SEC play. There are all kinds of reasons that people might not put Tebow on a ballot without it being a "mass conspiracy" to give it to Bradford. Harrell had better stats. Maybe they didn't feel comfortable voting for 3 QBs when there was an excellent receiver and running back out there with deserving stats.

Put away the "everybody hates us" paranoia and accept that, if you're not a Florida or SEC homer it IS debatable if Tebow had one of the best 3 seasons in college football this year.

Posted by: Ben | Dec 12, 2008 4:35:59 AM

Adrean,

If you want to say Tebow was pulled late in most of his games, I can say the same thing about Bradford. McCoy was playing late into more than one of UT's games this year - I think even against Tex A&M, so if anyone's stat sheet is inflated, it'd be his. The point is you can't give the Heisman to someone for how much they *didn't* play.

Florida's offense is designed for the QB to be, well, everything. There's an extremely detailed blog about the history, design, and philosophy of the offense Florida runs, with the point being that if you *don't* have a QB like a Tebow, that offense basically doesn't work, or at least not nearly as well. That, however, could be said about every offense at every school. But it doesn't make him the "most outstanding" player in the country. To me, its awfully hard to ignore a quarterback that heads up an offense that rolls up 50+ points *in a single half* over and over again the way Oklahoma's did. Okay, maybe Big 12 defenses aren't the best, but even when they lost to Texas he rolled up nearly 400 yards.

Comparing the Heisman in 2008 to that of the Griffin era is an apples-to-oranges analogy. Different offenses, different era; heck, different media philosophies. If you want to extend it to other deserving players, Shon Greene is more than a decent option whose only liability was playing in the Big 10 for an otherwise unspectacular Iowa team.

Ultimately, there are several legitimate candidates this year, and it is tiring to hear one network jump on one player's bandwagon. ESPN jumped on Larry Fitzgerald's campaign back in 2003, now CBS is on Tebow's in 2008...whatever happened to the time when the TV folks just covered the games??


Posted by: DW | Dec 12, 2008 4:40:33 AM

Adrean, Bradford has 53 TD's and 6 INT's

Posted by: John | Dec 12, 2008 4:49:34 AM

As a Sooners fan, I certainly want Bradford to win, and think his play this season warrants it. That said, it really is nice to see 3 guys like Sam, Tim and - this is hard to say - Colt vying for the Heisman. And while he's going to come in a distant fourth, you have to say the same thing about Graham Harrell.

Posted by: MartzMimic | Dec 12, 2008 4:56:35 AM

Kari, pleeese can we have an update. To the other people posting in this thread: Please shift your debating of the merits of the candidates to the Trash Talk thread where is belongs.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 12, 2008 5:11:22 AM

JM... quit being such a dimwit.... give me a break.

The reason each player does not show up on all the ballots is because some voters report who they are picking as #1 but do not reveal their entire ballot.

get real

Posted by: p | Dec 12, 2008 5:55:37 AM

These stats may have something to do with Tebow being a finalist:

Top 10 Defenses Faced:
Tim Tebow 2
Sam Bradford 1
Colt McCoy 0

Top 20 Defenses Faced:
Tim Tebow 5
Sam Bradford 1
Colt McCoy 0

Top 50 Defenses Faced:
Tim Tebow 10
Sam Bradford 3
Colt McCoy 0

Defenses Ranked Worse than No. 70:
Tim Tebow 1
Sam Bradford 8
Colt McCoy 10

Posted by: The voice of reason | Dec 12, 2008 6:09:17 AM

Because that is what the Heisman is all about. It goes to the player who faced the higher ranked defenses each year. Give me a break. Those numbers are skewed. The Big 12 defensive numbers are worse than they should be because the conferences offenses are record breaking good. The SEC defensive stats are better than they should be because outside of Florida, the offenses in the SEC are unimaginative and poor.

Of all the stats that are out there (passing yards, passing tds, rushing yards, rushing tds, passing efficiency, etc.) you took the time to find out stats that don't matter. Get a life.

Posted by: Josh | Dec 12, 2008 6:36:20 AM

The only reason the teams Forida played have high ranked defenses is that the SEC seems to have forgotten what an offense was.

Why don't you look up the SEC's record against the ACC this year. Then we can talk about difficulty of opponenets.

Posted by: Aaron | Dec 12, 2008 6:46:42 AM

QB1: QB2:

Games: 13 | 12
Pass Attempts: 268 | 264
Complete: 174 | 177
Complete %: 64.93 | 67.05
Ints: 2 | 7
Int %: .75 | 3.03
Yards: 2515 | 2735
Yards per Attempt: 9.38 | 10.36
TDs: 28 | 24
TD%: 10.45 | 9.09
Rating: 176.7 | 178.0

QB1 is Tebow, QB2 is Zac Robinson (Okla. St). Tebow isn't even worthy of Honorable Mention All Big 12 South honors, much less the top prize. All hype and SEC bias

Posted by: 8TimeChamps | Dec 12, 2008 6:58:16 AM

Okay, guys, why the delay on the update??? Tell us something....anything...throw us a bone...even if you have no new data, at least tell us that much....don't wait until after the award is given to make your projection :)

Posted by: DW | Dec 12, 2008 7:05:33 AM

As I said, the MNC game will be interesting.

For you Tebow haters (I'm a Gator and I got a little nauseous last night as ESPN paid homage to 'Superman'), the reason he is going to New York is because the Stiff-Arm trophy is supposed to be given to the best player in college football. Timmy won the Maxwell last night and that award goes to, huh? the best all around college football player??? Go figure! His numbers are down, how can he be the best?

The dude epitomizes the greatness that college football once was. He is a champion, a winner who will not quit until the final whistle blows. When the going got tough in Atlanta this past Saturday, when the chips were down and it looked like the Gators were beat, Tim found a way to rally himself and his team to victory. He is the real deal and is simply the best football player in the game today, certainly this decade and perhaps in my lifetime. The Jesus stuff gets a little sappy sometimes but take off you GatorHater glasses and you will see the Tebow is college football.

Still Sam will win the trophy and I cannot say Tim will be cheated. Sam is very deserving. A 186 passing efficiency is certainly not smoke and mirrors. The MNC game will be interesting indeed.

Posted by: David | Dec 12, 2008 7:24:50 AM

Voice, you can throw offensive and defensive numbers around any way you want. Oklahoma fared much better against the 2 top 50 defensive teams they faced (No. 2 TCU and No. 26 Cincy) than Florida did against the 2 top 50 offensive teams they faced (No. 21 Georgia and No. 37 Ole Miss). The average offensive ranking of the FBS teams Florida played was 73. The average defensive ranking of the FBS teams Oklahoma played was 77.

The truth of the matter is that we have 2 really good teams with 2 really good quarterbacks that appear to be pretty evenly matched.

Posted by: MartzMimic | Dec 12, 2008 7:26:21 AM

I like this site...but the updates are too rare. I mean he posted update "momentarily" over 15 hours ago....sort of a joke.

Posted by: Mike | Dec 12, 2008 7:52:38 AM

Uhhh....David? "Timmy won the Maxwell last night and that award goes to, huh? the best all around college football player??? Go figure!"

Did you see that McCoy won the Walter Camp Award for the best all around player in the country??? Go figure! If it wasn't for Timmy being shoved down the nationas throat Colt would have won the Maxwell also, but we'll take the Walter Camp Award over the Maxwell.

This race should be between McCoy and "uhhh hard to say" but Bradford. Tebow is a great player and leader but IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY!

Posted by: Eric | Dec 12, 2008 8:08:38 AM

>The only reason the teams Forida played have high ranked defenses is that the SEC seems to have forgotten what an offense was.

Why don't you look up the SEC's record against the ACC this year. Then we can talk about difficulty of opponenets.<

The SEC went 4-6 against the ACC.

The Big XII went 0-4 against the ACC.

Oops!

Incidentally, look at the scores of those games (or the other out of conference games that the Big XII played). Other than the top three teams, every Big XII team gave up 34 or more points to an OOC opponent, and often a fairly low-ranked opponent. There's a reason why every single QB in the Big XII has a 1.5:1 or better TD ratio and a high completion percentage, and it's not because they've got 12 great QBs.

Posted by: hrudey | Dec 12, 2008 8:52:43 AM

Pretty bad when you have to start dropping down to the ACC to claim "we didn't lose as bad as YOU did...."

LOL

Posted by: dw | Dec 12, 2008 9:02:16 AM

Actually, the Maxwell recently has frequently been the "runner up to the Heisman" award. These three players (and the erroneously ignored Graham Harrel) have all been great players on very good teams. As many people have said, it would be hard to decide between them, and as soon as you find one stat that makes one better than another, you find a different stat that favors one of the other two/three. It reminds me of the problem with the Big Twelve South championship in that each team had a tiebreaker over the other. Interesting they way these things mirrored each other this year. Regardless, we have had a great year for quarterbacks, and the Big Twelve quarterbacks as a class have been nothing short of amazing. I think it's difficult to compare defenses between the Big 12 and SEC because the offenses are so different, so I'm not going to try. We'll see what happens in the National Championship game, the result of which I am also not going to predict.

Posted by: JB | Dec 12, 2008 9:05:48 AM

This site is a joke - no updates since yesterday, and the award is coming out tomorrow...comes under the heading of "what's the point." Has the data changed so much that the current projections are now embarassingly wrong? What gives?

Posted by: cm | Dec 12, 2008 9:08:28 AM

With the exception of Nebraska, which would have tied for fourth in the Big Twelve South, and which only lost to Va Tech by 5, the ACC beat the bottom feeders of the Big Twelve. I don't think you can extrapolate how the conference would fare as a whole based on those four games. Extrapolation in football rarely works anyways.

I suspect the Heisman people are causing trouble here, and that's why there are no updates. They forced the site to change its' name, and maybe now they're keeping them from giving us the winner. Or they paid them off. What is suspense worth to the committee;)

Posted by: TM | Dec 12, 2008 9:21:31 AM

With the exception of Nebraska, which would have tied for fourth in the Big Twelve South, and which only lost to Va Tech by 5, the ACC beat the bottom feeders of the Big Twelve. I don't think you can extrapolate how the conference would fare as a whole based on those four games. Extrapolation in football rarely works anyways.

I suspect the Heisman people are causing trouble here, and that's why there are no updates. They forced the site to change its' name, and maybe now they're keeping them from giving us the winner. Or they paid them off. What is suspense worth to the committee;)

Posted by: TM | Dec 12, 2008 9:21:45 AM

cm, shut the hell up. If you don't like the website then don't visit it. Why do you feel the rush for update if you feel the site is wrong? Get the hell out of here!

Posted by: tam | Dec 12, 2008 9:36:27 AM

SEC 4-6 against the ACC....who cares. 3 of their 4 wins were by Alabama and Florida. Put the top dogs of the Big 12 in there and they win as well. Keep grasping at straws and trying to validate keeping SEC on the respirator this year.

Posted by: Jeff | Dec 12, 2008 9:38:11 AM

A few points:

1. The whole argument that SEC defenses are overrated because SEC offenses suck is foolish. It bears out in the draft. In 2008, as in previous years, more defensive players are drafted out of the SEC than in the Big 12. In the first 3 rounds, 9 SEC defensive players were drafted compared to 5 for the Big 12. Not only are SEC defenses historically tougher, they're toughter against better quality offensive players. In the first 3 rounds of the 2008 draft, 7 offensive players were drafted out of the SEC compared to only 5 for the Big 12. The overall quality of players in the SEC is just better.

2. Bradford's numbers are great, but it is definitely true that his stats are inflated by piling on numbers in garbage time. Against Texas Tech for example, it was 58-14 after three quarters and Bradford will still out there at the beginning of the 4th to add in another TD pass. Against Missouri, it was 41-14 after 3 quarters, and Bradford still played deep into the 4th quarter, piling up yards. Tebow, on the hand, was pulled much earlier in more games. Tebow was pulled in the 3rd quarter of routs against Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and left after a quarter and a half against The Citadel. All of this means that Tebow's numbers probably underrepresent his contributions and Bradford's numbers overrepresent his.

3. The "supporting cast" arguments about Oklahoma and Florida cancel themselves out. Both teams are obviously stocked with a lot of talent. However, when it came to carrying an entire team on your back when it counts the most (i.e., the conference championship games), Tebow excelled to a greater degree than Bradford. Against the number one team in the country, he completed key touchdown passes where the receivers were practically blanketed, and did it while being pressured by Alabama's defensive line. The fact that Tebow beat Alabama despite being limited in the running game (and getting no contributions from the injured Harvin or the other speedy backs) speaks volumes. In the Big 12 game, Bradford never had to pass the ball in a clutch situation, and when he did pass he had all day to throw the ball.

All things being equal, if you were starting a team from scratch and wanted the best player in college football as your first pick, Tebow would be that pick. He deserves another Heisman.

Posted by: Jack | Dec 12, 2008 10:03:42 AM

ok, the big XII was 0-4 against the SEC; let's explore that.

The losses:
Baylor(4-8) lost to Wake Forrest(7-5)
Texas A&M (4-8) lost to Miami (8-4)
Colorado (5-7) lost to FSU (8-4)
Nebraska (8-4) lost to Va. Tech (9-4 and ACC Champ)

With the exception of Nebraska, this is clearly the bottom-feeders of the Big XII versus very decent teams in the ACC. In the case of Nebraska, a third-tier team in the Big XII lost to the eventual ACC champion by 5.

So, your argument is not a good one.

Posted by: JD | Dec 12, 2008 10:15:00 AM

>>SEC 4-6 against the ACC....who cares. 3 of their 4 wins were by Alabama and Florida. Put the top dogs of the Big 12 in there and they win as well. Keep grasping at straws and trying to validate keeping SEC on the respirator this year.<<

Apparently, Aaron cared, since he wanted to use the SEC's record against the ACC as a reason to knock the conference. I think the SEC's two great teams, one pretty good team in Ole Miss, a couple of teams that would be great if not for glaring flaws (Georgia's defense, LSU's quarterback), and a bunch of middling teams. The Big XII is three teams with great offenses and decent defenses, and 9 teams with good offenses and putrid defenses. The ACC has no great teams, but is probably the deepest conference by far.

Posted by: hrudey | Dec 12, 2008 10:21:42 AM

i would pick Bradford, but there are arguments for both.

Yes, the defenses are better in the SEC, no argument here. BUT, their defensive numbers are inflated just as much as Big XII offensive numbers are inflated. The SEC has a serious lack of quality quarterbacks, while the Big XII has a lack of quality defenses. Don't argue that, you'll just sound dumb.

You present a good argument using draft picks; however, I would contend that this year is an anomaly in that the Big XII has some spectacular athletes on offense that will be drafted in the FIRST round. Oklahoma has 3 right now, not including Sam Bradford (Loadhold, Robinson, Gresham) and another 4 that will be drafted this year(Cooper, Walker, Johnson, Iglesias); and THIS IS JUST ON OFFENSE. Oklahoma also has 7 or 8 defensive guys that will be drafted when they graduate or leave early (Holmes, Harris, McCoy, Granger, Alexander, English, Beal, Lewis, Clayton, Franks). Some of these guys are young but are extremely talented and now experienced. I'm sure you could and would be absolutely correct in making the same argument for Florida.

Second, you are absolutely wrong about Bradford's numbers being inflated. The only game Bradford stayed in too long was Missouri, and Bob was just giving making a point to the media in that game. In the previous 12 games, Sam had missed over 2 GAMES WORTH OF MINUTES. I would bet money that you can't say that about Tebow.

Finally, simply because Bradford usually has ample time to throw the ball, which says more for OU than Florida by the way, does not mean that he can't handle pressure. The fact is that he has when he's had to but it hasn't been often. Sam is extremely good at moving around in the pocket and creating more time for himself to find a receiver down field. If you haven't watched every snap of every game then you probably haven't seen him do it very much, but take it from someone who has.

Again, I take Sam over Tebow, but both are great players.

Posted by: JD | Dec 12, 2008 10:32:46 AM

Hey TAM, who made you the board police? Go soak your head. I'll say what I like. I never said the site was wrong. I was speculating about what reasons might explain the lack of updates. Something is obviously amiss when there's a statement from yesterday afternoon promising a "regional breakdown," then it never shows up, and there are no updates past two points in times when updates have previously been provided. I'm still looking for an update.

Hey Jack, about your "Bradford has been piling on stats...its a fact" is absolute, incontroverible BS. You know who has scored more 4th quarter points this season? Texas. The Houston Chronicle even did an article on this very issue where they called out UT fans for whining about this phony issue of OU "running up the score" just the other day, because it just isn't true. Get your facts straight.

Bottom line, why can't we all agree there are three really good players out there, all of which have a great case for the Heisman? This idea that there's a "slam dunk" argument for any of the three is asinine.

Still looking for that update....

Posted by: cm | Dec 12, 2008 10:39:23 AM

>>Second, you are absolutely wrong about Bradford's numbers being inflated. The only game Bradford stayed in too long was Missouri, and Bob was just giving making a point to the media in that game. In the previous 12 games, Sam had missed over 2 GAMES WORTH OF MINUTES. I would bet money that you can't say that about Tebow.<<

Actually, you can. From what I could find, Bradford missed 98 of Oklahoma's 1036 plays this year (they had it at 97 on Oklahoma's own web site, so I'll say that's close enough). That came to a total of 103:49 of game time.

Tebow missed 105 of Florida's 800 total plays (they're not running the hurry-up, remember!), for a total of 139:28 of game time.

The argument about running it up in the fourth shouldn't apply to either of these guys. Heck, Tebow's missed a lot of the third quarter in a few games and was done five plays into the second quarter vs. the Citadel. It would be fair to say that Bradford's stats are inflated because their offense (and their conference in general, both on offense and by lacking defense) runs a lot more plays.

I didn't look up McCoy's time missed. I assume it's similar, though.

Posted by: hrudey | Dec 12, 2008 10:52:32 AM

cm, you're like those spoiled brat that complain about something that's free. be glad you got something to look at. If you dont like it, gtfo. Otherwise shut the f up and quit complaining.

Posted by: Tam | Dec 12, 2008 10:59:08 AM

You're getting together with your buddies to play a little backyard football. Everybody remembers how you pick teams. Two dudes as chosen to be captain and you are lucky enough to be one of them. A flip of the coin and you get to pick first. You see Colt, Sam and Tim in front of you. Who do you pick?

I'm pickin' Tim. Only Tim can do this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lagkH0bM5pA

Posted by: David | Dec 12, 2008 11:11:13 AM

Geez, TAM, I guess I'm supposed to be really wounded by all your acronym swearing, right?

Again, if you don't like what I have to say, I recommend you ignore it. I'm quite sure you won't heed the advice, and will instead opt to show us how smart you are by spinning out even more Incredibly Clever Abbreviated Swearing (ICAS).

Knock yourself out, dude. I think there are a lot of folks out there who are looking forward to an update here, however.

Posted by: cm | Dec 12, 2008 11:13:03 AM

I hope Kari is OK. It does seem odd that he would post about an update "momentarily" and then go nearly a day without posting anything else - especially since it's the day before the Heisman presentation.

Kari, at least let us know if you're alright!

Posted by: Kelly | Dec 12, 2008 11:17:10 AM

I sent this to a coupla' buddies of mine, (OSU fans). For all you Gator Haters out there, I suggest moving to Ohio. You will find welcome company there...

They just love us in the Buckeye state!

MNC Game - Nothing unusual about the group of state around Oklahoma but notice this strange midwest red state in a sea of blue.
https://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=64657

Heisman poll - Again, everywhere its green. But look again to the midwest. Gator Haters? Tebow Haters?
https://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?pollId=64986

Man, you guys sure do carry a grudge. 41-14 and 84-75 still stings huh?

Posted by: David | Dec 12, 2008 11:17:52 AM

TAM, don't know what your beef is with the guy named cm, but give him/her(?) a break, lots of us are looking here for an update. Yeah its free but the guy who runs it also gets lots of pub for it...

Posted by: Lurker | Dec 12, 2008 11:21:19 AM

give me a break. The guy has been updating once a day at least. You're acting like he owes you an update. If you got a problem with him, then just dont visit the site.

Posted by: tam | Dec 12, 2008 11:41:18 AM

This site sucks! "Momentarily" ? update the gd-damned site alread. I'm guessing they'll post the next update 2 minutes after the award is handed out and then say they had it right. What a joke this site is. The problem is, they are too scared this year they'll get it wrong, so they are taking the gutless, cheap way out. Bogus.

Posted by: where? | Dec 12, 2008 11:45:31 AM

i'm a rabid fan too, but people need to chill. all 3 are good college players. in 3 years, whoever wins this award might be another troy smith or chris weinke or jason white.

Posted by: z | Dec 12, 2008 11:55:26 AM

To David, the Gator fan who is sick of homeage to Superman and to Jesus:
David said, "The Jesus stuff gets a little sappy sometimes but take off you GatorHater glasses and you will see the Tebow is college football."

You say, Tebow is college football... but Tebow wants to be known as a Christ follower who plays football. You say, "the Jesus stuff" and Tebow would say he is all about Jesus and that its his life! If you only knew the difference he has made in the lives of the kids who come to know eternal life in Jesus. If you only knew the difference that Jesus is making in the lives of the inmates that Tebow has spoken to. If you only knew... JESUS, Himself - you wouldn't call it "sappy stuff about Jesus." Its ALL about Jesus, just turns out that this preacher (Tebow) happens to be the best football player in America. Go figure!

Posted by: J M | Dec 12, 2008 12:34:12 PM

z, not sure what you mean by Smith, Weinke and White. Just because they didn't make noise in the NFL doesn't mean they didn't deserve the Heisman.

Posted by: Kelly | Dec 12, 2008 12:37:59 PM

Can we please just stick to football. As far as I know jesus doesn't have a Heisman ballot.

Now how about that update???

Posted by: sray72 | Dec 12, 2008 12:45:22 PM


But if Jesus did have a ballot, is there any doubt he would vote for Tebow?

Posted by: David | Dec 12, 2008 12:53:34 PM

Well, funny you guys should mention Jesus 'cause I just got an email from him. Turns out he does have a ballot as a member of the media (NE region I think). I am going to forward it to Kari but here it is for discussion...

1. Tim Tebow
2. Ghandi
3. Bruce Nolan

I don't know about that last pick but he got one and two dead on.

Posted by: Urban | Dec 12, 2008 1:01:21 PM

We need an update for no other reason than the children here can't get along. How about this? Go do some work. Go play with your kids. Read a book. It's a freaking game. Lighten up Francis. This guy is providing you with free info you could get nowhere else and people rip him because it doesn't come fast enough. Chances are he's got a job and a family so the football junkies come in third.

Again........Lighten up Francis.

Posted by: Longar's Leg | Dec 12, 2008 1:06:08 PM

"This guy is providing you with free info"

Apparently he's not anymore. ;-)

Posted by: Kelly | Dec 12, 2008 1:21:05 PM

I hate to break it to some of you (ok, I'm really HAPPY to break it to you) but all 3 candidates: Bradford, McCoy and Tebow are professed Christians.

As for Bradford playing late in blowouts, it only happened against Missouri. Typically, at the latest, Bradford would finish a drive that spanned the 3rd & 4th quarter and then be done. In a couple of games he was out midway through the 3rd quarter.

I find it funny how David seems to think anyone who doesn't think Florida is the greatest team ever is a "Gator Hater". Is that like being a "Homophobe" or something?

Florida is an excellent team and Tebow is an excellent player, but anyone who thinks it's a "slam dunk" that one of these players deserves the trophy more than the others is the true definition of a blind homer.

Posted by: ben | Dec 12, 2008 1:36:55 PM

Regardless of who walks away with the trophy, it will be Sam Bradford who will be smiling the biggest on the way to the bank. He is the best pro-style quarterback in college football, maybe ever. Winning the Heisman won't increase his standings on draft day, his abilities have already done so.

You can argue over who is the best college athlete all you want, but in the end, which would you rather have?

1.) Tebow's trophies
2.) McCoy's millions
3.) Bradford's billions

Posted by: Philip | Dec 12, 2008 1:39:42 PM


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